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Your least favourite Nightmaren from NiGHTS into Dreams...
#1
Posted 14 May 2007 - 07:31 PM
#2
Posted 14 May 2007 - 08:02 PM
#3
Posted 14 May 2007 - 08:11 PM
But, the one I like the least....maybe Gillwing? I don't know, I like 'em all a lot!
#4
Posted 14 May 2007 - 08:13 PM
#5
Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:04 PM
#6
Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:09 PM
Glad to see I'm not alone.I really hate Jackle. His boss battle is so tough and annoying. I mean he's almost invincible until you find the way to beat him (I don't want give any spoilers just in case there are people who have never played the game but are planning to), not to mention his laugh can drive you crazy. He sounds like a high pitched laughing heyena.
I also don't like Jackle because he looks way too much like Reala and NiGHTS. It gives the impression that he's also a 1st-level Nightmaren, which kinda hurts the duality aspect that makes the NiGHTS/Reala relation so intriguing. I mean, a 1st-level Nightmaren that can't paraloop, has sub-standard flight (sub-NiGHTS-and-Reala-standard, anyway) and relies on cards to attack? Nuh-uh.
ETA: His theme music's cool, though.
#7
Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:25 PM
Just when you think you've lined up your shot perfectly, you hit him and lose 5 seconds on his spines. And then you accidentally bump into a fish you didn't mean to and get whizzed across the screen again. Grr! Frustrating!
#8
Guest_Ideya Fairy_*
Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:30 PM
#9
Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:54 PM
#10
Posted 14 May 2007 - 10:23 PM
#11
Posted 14 May 2007 - 10:54 PM
#12
Posted 14 May 2007 - 11:30 PM
also, 10 posts till i become dreamer!
#13
Posted 15 May 2007 - 05:13 AM
The other bosses are much more fun to battle.
(spoiler tags used just in case ^^;;)
#14
Posted 16 May 2007 - 12:57 AM
#15
Posted 16 May 2007 - 02:18 AM
#16
Posted 16 May 2007 - 02:54 AM
And Sage? The thing about Clawz is not true. There's another technique as well. But still.. ANNOYING!
#17
Posted 16 May 2007 - 03:09 AM
#18
Posted 16 May 2007 - 07:22 AM
I adore his theme though. (Purgatory, you've put the surfer idea in my head now! XD)
#19
Posted 16 May 2007 - 01:27 PM
#20
Posted 16 May 2007 - 10:02 PM
That's a good point, but who says he's not? I mean, sure, his abilities are sub-NiGHTS-and-Reala, but think about it: he's got actual weapons, he's nearly invincible, and still pretty strong without the cape (though bizarrely paranoid at the same time), plus he has a voice and a humanlike body (or what there is of it...). It seems to me like he probably is 1st-level after all, but due to the whole duality thing that you touched on, doesn't get nearly enough recognition as such. Besides, Reala and NiGHTS are supposed to be hugely more powerful than any of the other Nightmaren anyway, even whatever other 1st-levels may exist.I also don't like Jackle because he looks way too much like Reala and NiGHTS. It gives the impression that he's also a 1st-level Nightmaren, which kinda hurts the duality aspect that makes the NiGHTS/Reala relation so intriguing. I mean, a 1st-level Nightmaren that can't paraloop, has sub-standard flight (sub-NiGHTS-and-Reala-standard, anyway) and relies on cards to attack? Nuh-uh.
As far as my own least favorite boss, I'd have to go with Gillwing. He's just so annoying! That, and I can't get the 5-second kill even *with* the ScoreAttack guides, descriptions, videos, etc. >.>
#21
Posted 16 May 2007 - 10:24 PM
Its pretty well known that Reala and NiGHTS are first class. The difference being free will.That's a good point, but who says he's not? I mean, sure, his abilities are sub-NiGHTS-and-Reala, but think about it: he's got actual weapons, he's nearly invincible, and still pretty strong without the cape (though bizarrely paranoid at the same time), plus he has a voice and a humanlike body (or what there is of it...). It seems to me like he probably is 1st-level after all, but due to the whole duality thing that you touched on, doesn't get nearly enough recognition as such. Besides, Reala and NiGHTS are supposed to be hugely more powerful than any of the other Nightmaren anyway, even whatever other 1st-levels may exist.
As far as my own least favorite boss, I'd have to go with Gillwing. He's just so annoying! That, and I can't get the 5-second kill even *with* the ScoreAttack guides, descriptions, videos, etc. >.>
#22
Posted 16 May 2007 - 11:15 PM
But the Egg Alarm.... >:0
#23
Posted 18 May 2007 - 09:50 AM
Glad to see I'm not alone.
I also don't like Jackle because he looks way too much like Reala and NiGHTS. It gives the impression that he's also a 1st-level Nightmaren, which kinda hurts the duality aspect that makes the NiGHTS/Reala relation so intriguing. I mean, a 1st-level Nightmaren that can't paraloop, has sub-standard flight (sub-NiGHTS-and-Reala-standard, anyway) and relies on cards to attack? Nuh-uh.
ETA: His theme music's cool, though.
Actually, there isn't any proof that he CAN'T do those things.
Since he looks so much like them, surely Jackle can perform SOME sort of paraloop or SOMETHING. Maybe he just prefers to fight with cards...cause in my opinion, if I could, I would throw really big death cards at ppl too.
#24
Posted 18 May 2007 - 05:04 PM
#25
Posted 18 May 2007 - 07:43 PM
#26
Posted 18 May 2007 - 09:30 PM
I see what you're saying, but... Why does everyone keep saying "known?" Nowhere have I seen anything from Sega that says any of this stuff specifically. It's part of the charm and mystique of the original game -- we just don't know. Therefore, I think all the theories are quite valid, both yours and mine, so long as no one says "This is right, this is wrong." Granted, I generally prefer mine, but that's a whole different can of worms.Its pretty well known that Reala and NiGHTS are first class. The difference being free will.
YES. I had totally forgotten about the AlarmEgg. I don't really know if it's technically Nightmaren, or what, but I think we can all agree on it being insanely annoying.I don't see what is wrong with any of the Nightmaren. Or any of the characters for that matter. :\
But the Egg Alarm.... >:0
#27
Posted 19 May 2007 - 05:08 AM
"To execute a plan of this scale, Wizeman created many Nightmaren, and sent each one into Nightopia. Included, were two very special evil spirit people, called 'First Level.'"I see what you're saying, but... Why does everyone keep saying "known?" Nowhere have I seen anything from Sega that says any of this stuff specifically. It's part of the charm and mystique of the original game -- we just don't know. Therefore, I think all the theories are quite valid, both yours and mine, so long as no one says "This is right, this is wrong." Granted, I generally prefer mine, but that's a whole different can of worms.
That's from this site, and is a "direct translation of the Japanese storyline". So I guess that makes it from Sega. It doesn't specify who these two were, but I think it's fairly obvious.
#28
Posted 19 May 2007 - 05:36 AM
Thanks, Misaki! *Super glomp* Because I was having a brain fart. When you hold this knowledge for so long, its like its in your DNA. You just know, but don't remember from where. XD"To execute a plan of this scale, Wizeman created many Nightmaren, and sent each one into Nightopia. Included, were two very special evil spirit people, called 'First Level.'"
That's from this site, and is a "direct translation of the Japanese storyline". So I guess that makes it from Sega. It doesn't specify who these two were, but I think it's fairly obvious.
Now.. I fuckin' DARE someone to try and replace either NiGHTS or Reala with Jackle as one of the superior two! (Not you, Q-Lok, but somehow I see the scenario of someone saying Jackle is superior playing in my head!)
#29
Posted 19 May 2007 - 06:02 AM
At the risk of thread deraliment, I just have to call bollocks here.Actually, there isn't any proof that he CAN'T do those things.
Since he looks so much like them, surely Jackle can perform SOME sort of paraloop or SOMETHING. Maybe he just prefers to fight with cards...cause in my opinion, if I could, I would throw really big death cards at ppl too.
Basically, you're arguing that Jackle can "surely" perform a paraloop because he LOOKS like NiGHTS and Reala. Didn't you hear something about not judging a book by its cover? Just because they look alike, that's no guarantee that Jackle can do what NiGHTS and Reala can.
Also, to be honest, I don't really think that the resemblance is that deep. Note that NiGHTS and Reala have distinct faces while Jackle does not. Heck, I'd argue that if you shrunk Wizeman down a bit and took away four of his hands, he'd resemble NiGHTS and Reala about as much as Jackle does.
My point is that if you're going to gauge Jackle's abilities -- or anyone's, for that matter -- you go with what he does, rather than what he looks like. And personally, if I were in a life-or-death duel like Jackle was with NiGHTS, I wouldn't hold anything back. But I digress.
Getting back on topic, I don't think that the Alarm Egg is a Nightmaren. But if you despise it more than any Nightmaren, I completely understand.
#30
Posted 19 May 2007 - 07:02 AM
At the risk of thread deraliment, I just have to call bollocks here.
Basically, you're arguing that Jackle can "surely" perform a paraloop because he LOOKS like NiGHTS and Reala. Didn't you hear something about not judging a book by its cover? Just because they look alike, that's no guarantee that Jackle can do what NiGHTS and Reala can.
Also, to be honest, I don't really think that the resemblance is that deep. Note that NiGHTS and Reala have distinct faces while Jackle does not. Heck, I'd argue that if you shrunk Wizeman down a bit and took away four of his hands, he'd resemble NiGHTS and Reala about as much as Jackle does.
My point is that if you're going to gauge Jackle's abilities -- or anyone's, for that matter -- you go with what he does, rather than what he looks like. And personally, if I were in a life-or-death duel like Jackle was with NiGHTS, I wouldn't hold anything back. But I digress.
Getting back on topic, I don't think that the Alarm Egg is a Nightmaren. But if you despise it more than any Nightmaren, I completely understand.
YOU wouldn't hold back. But are you insane? I think not. Pretty sure Jackle is.
#31
Posted 19 May 2007 - 07:34 AM
So, if I'm reading your post correctly, you're suggesting that Jackle would actively choose not to paraloop, thereby holding back in a life-or-death duel... because he's insane.YOU wouldn't hold back. But are you insane? I think not. Pretty sure Jackle is.
Honestly, I think that helps disprove your argument.
If Jackle had abilities anywhere near those of NiGHTS or Reala, he would have used them in NiD. Jackle was fighting NiGHTS and only one of them was coming out in one piece. Insane or no, neither Nightmaren would've held anything back. Given that, Jackle showed considerable strength, but he could not paraloop and his flight skills were sub-standard compared to NiGHTS and Reala. Therefore, Jackle is not a 1st-level Nightmaren. QED.
This rather persistent fallacy is why I hate Jackle.
#32
Posted 19 May 2007 - 07:53 AM
Number 2: I said he MIGHT have those abilities because he looked like them. I'm sorry I said "surely", Mr. Perfect.
Your hatred for Jackle is because he looks like NiGHTS and Reala? That's like saying you hate Puffy because her ears look somewhat like a jester hat. ZOMG PUFFY IS 1ST LEVEL!
See, I can do it too.
#33
Posted 19 May 2007 - 09:54 AM
#34
Posted 19 May 2007 - 10:31 AM
Edit: DING!
REALA
Reala is Wizeman's right-hand man. Like NiGHTS, he is one of the few First-level Nightmarens. Unlike NiGHTS, he is cruel, brutal, and absolutely loyal to Wizeman. Reala and NiGHTS are rivals, as it was Reala's brutal tactics that contributed to NiGHTS' eventual confinement to the space of a dream. Reala's flight capabilities are almost equal to NiGHTS' - he can also paraloop.
From: Sega.com NiD archive: http://web.archive.org/web/19970215174910/.../cast/text.html But, from what I can tell, some of the info might be off. But, i don't know.....
Also, according to the site, third, second, and first level marens are classified. How official this is, I am not sure.
#35
Posted 19 May 2007 - 02:13 PM
GULPO. GULPO.
I REFUSE TO DISCUSS THE SITUATION. o___O
I always thought Jackle was a 1st level maren. Whoops. xD I must have read something wrong.
#36
Posted 19 May 2007 - 04:52 PM
Ah, I see. I don't think I've recently re-read that, actually. In fact, I don't think I ever finished reading the whole thing to begin with. Whoops."To execute a plan of this scale, Wizeman created many Nightmaren, and sent each one into Nightopia. Included, were two very special evil spirit people, called 'First Level.'"
That's from this site, and is a "direct translation of the Japanese storyline". So I guess that makes it from Sega. It doesn't specify who these two were, but I think it's fairly obvious.
But still, I think that, between NNR07's and Misaki-chan's posts, we could jump to the conclusion that, while Jackle is probably not First-Level, that distinction may still be based on powers, not appearance. For that same reason, we know that Puffy is also not First-Level, despite having a (admittedly only cursory) humanoid appearance.
#37
Posted 19 May 2007 - 05:35 PM
#38
Posted 19 May 2007 - 09:20 PM
I apologise if I've made my posts look like anything other than "NiGHTS Into Dreams According to Q-Lok."
#39
Posted 19 May 2007 - 10:04 PM
#40
Posted 19 May 2007 - 10:22 PM
Its fine. But there was already a warning that this was becoming too heated, not just with you, Q-Lock, but with EZEKiAL and Curiosity as well. Lets just keep the topic moving and try not to respond to those posts, we can't have fighting going on here. (Or those heavy 'bouts of sarcasm, to those who want to call it that.) Nothing wrong with having opinions, don't think that we discourage them. We just can't have them turning into things that are being shoved down everyone else's throats (which is what the bickering was making it look like)Oi -- I don't want to argue here, much as I may have made it look like I do. That's why I said "could." I'm just saying that it's a reasonable conclusion, though not necessarily the best, only, or right one.
I apologise if I've made my posts look like anything other than "NiGHTS Into Dreams According to Q-Lok."
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