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[Kentilan]

Alright, I've basically completed the model viewer. Static models are mostly displayed fine, but the animated models are completely messed up. I don't think I will be able to change that, so I'll just deal with static models.

Examples:


NiGHTS drill-dashing. For some reason the model doesn't load the eyelash texture...


Wizeman (that's actually the fake Wizeman that appear when you fight him, since the real Wizeman is an animated model)

I hope it will work. There was another program I made in the past that never worked properly when I tried it on other computers...
If you want to try it, you can download it here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=33USQKDX (I've included a few models).

[Jof]

That's amazing Kentilan! I know certain folk will squeal over the Wizeman

[Maresuke]

That's amazing Kentilan! I know certain folk will squeal over the Wizeman

*SQUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!!!*

WIZEMAN!

You have no idea how happy this makes me. *______*
(I haven't been this spazzy in a long while...)

EDIT: I'm just having too much fun with this!

NiGHTS drill-dashing. For some reason the model doesn't load the eyelash texture...

His eyelashes probably don't load because they've got transparency... same as with the Yellow Ideya and NiGHTS eyelashes on the Chain model, which BTW is a nice add.

Is it just me or can the light source NOT be changed in the chained NiGHTS model?

[charlie]

WOW! Great job Kentilan! If there's any chance of you sharing the source code I'd love to see it. Maybe I could help out with some of the models that need some tweaking. Very cool though!

[Purgatory]

I missed out on a lot.. This is really great stuff!

[TRiPPY]

*rolls around in the awesome like a piggie*

Wizeman looks so cool T___T I swear down JoD made him more like the not so real thing in my brain at night. Thanks for doing this Kentilan! It's like getting JoD all over again XD

[StarsOfCASSiOPEiA]

Wizeman looks so cool T___T I swear down JoD made him more like the not so real thing in my brain at night. Thanks for doing this Kentilan! It's like getting JoD all over again XD

Wizeman DOES look epic. EPIC. Thank you so much for showing us this!

[InTheNightlight]

Actually, would NiGHTS' old costume skin still be in there? I don't think it was removed from the final version. Claris and Elliot + full dreamdrops was supposed to do a skin swap for 1996 NiGHTS too but on dualizing the game would crash so they scrapped it. I'm interested to see what the skin looked like if they'd fine tuned it at all.

Actually, in the pic where NiGHTS is atop the tower's spire(I dunno if that's supposed to be Twin Seeds or BellBridge, but it looks like the VERY TOP of Twin Seeds) if you look SUPER CLOSE, you can see his NiD Collar(the plain ol' purple one).

I guess if it was supposed to be in Twin Seeds, they were going to base it off of the comics. Who knows?

SUDDENLY

A LURKER APPEARS

Oh man, I haven't been here in ages, but TRiP posted a link to this on her old dA, that I still watch, and I COULD NOT RESIST.

JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST ON A STICK SEGA WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I just KNEW they left stuff out, but not this much!

zomg. TT_TT


Thanks a ton for revealing this to us, Kent. The story seems just that much deeper now. I really want to know more about the 'Nightmare Tower' thing...And yeah, it does seem that NiGHTS has only just started to rebel..Hm.

DaYZ: YAY! SOMNI'S BACK!!*starts a huge conga line*

[Kentilan]

Is it just me or can the light source NOT be changed in the chained NiGHTS model?

Yeah, that model doesn't use lighting; it uses colors to mimic shading.
Anyway, I'm glad the program is working. And that you're enjoying it

WOW! Great job Kentilan! If there's any chance of you sharing the source code I'd love to see it. Maybe I could help out with some of the models that need some tweaking. Very cool though!

Sure. You can download it here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=78YN7O2B
I updated the code a bit but it should make no difference.
However the code may not be easy to understand...

[Empa]

Woah, all this stuff is amazing~

I'm glad I decided to pop by and see what was happening here.
I'm pretty bummed they took so much out of the game. D: Oh well.

Great work though!

[charlie]

Sure. You can download it here: <a href="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=78YN7O2B" target="_blank">http://www.megaupload.com/?d=78YN7O2B</a>
I updated the code a bit but it should make no difference.
However the code may not be easy to understand...

Thanks Kentilan! EDIT: Your code is super easy to follow! Very nice!

[Pyrii]

I've been working on this for some time, in fact since I last posted here. I decided to pick up the spark again as I've been working on the Let's Tap stuff from SEGA.

My main problem is the video files which use SEGA's borked sofdec monstrosity which they've changed somehow to make videos unplayable. Splitting the mpeg2 stream and ADX audio is easy, the fun part at the moment is making the video watchable as it just looks like this:



Looking at the header it doesn't look normal at all (For ANY video file) and something tells me it's encrypted...

[Kentilan]

Yeah, I got the same problem when I tried to read these videos
The audio is fine but the video is completely corrupted. And it doesn't even look the same when I use different video players...

[charlie]

I had the same problem with the videos. I've also been unable to play any ADX audio files as they all seem garbled with lots of extra noise. It seems like they've changed the format (or encryption) of the files.

Kentilan, have you had success with the ADX audio files?

[Pyrii]

vgmstream plays them fine, although I am hear the occasional drop (split seconds of silence) which I'm not too worried about. There is a wealth of audio content on the disc and it's interesting to hear that the crappy looping of Queen Bella's Ball (Hard mode) isn't a game bug but a rushed out edit. Also most cutscenes have voices and sound effects baked into the music track.

Kentilan, great work with the model viewer so far, shame most of the character models look crap without rigging/animation offsets. I don't blame you if you don't want to code that far, sounds like a computational nightmare. I'm pretty sure that SEGA used rigs and applied mocap data to them. With some strange jerkiness to them in an attempt to make the movements seem more "real" but they seem to go overboard with it, I noticed this in PSU and now NiGHTS. (I have to admit I'm curious if this is in the animation data or coded into the games)

[Pyrii]

Owl reveals himself for the total Spaz he is...

Reala and Wizeman... for the fangirls

I'm having trouble with the CSB files, the output comes out as another utf table.

[TRiPPY]

XD Ok I got the ADX plugin for Winamp but the files dont play right, they sound like major skritchy feedback... THOUGH the Owl one can be sort of faintly be heard and it sounds hilarious because it sounds like some horrible form of torture. *lmao*

Any advice?

[Kentilan]

I had the same problem with the videos. I've also been unable to play any ADX audio files as they all seem garbled with lots of extra noise. It seems like they've changed the format (or encryption) of the files.

Kentilan, have you had success with the ADX audio files?

Not really. I can hear the music but there's a lot of noise over it.

Kentilan, great work with the model viewer so far, shame most of the character models look crap without rigging/animation offsets. I don't blame you if you don't want to code that far, sounds like a computational nightmare. I'm pretty sure that SEGA used rigs and applied mocap data to them. With some strange jerkiness to them in an attempt to make the movements seem more "real" but they seem to go overboard with it, I noticed this in PSU and now NiGHTS. (I have to admit I'm curious if this is in the animation data or coded into the games)

Yeah, this stuff seems too complicated for me, and I've never dealt with rigging before. Though I'd like to give it a try later.

Owl reveals himself for the total Spaz he is...

Are you sure it's Owl? That's strange, I don't remember anything like that in the game...
Trouble is, I can't play these files properly. I tried using vgmstream as you suggested, but I can't make it work. The executable tells me it can't open the files, and the Winamp plugin stays silent

[Pyrii]

The files are actually encrypted, but the latest vgmstream seems to be fine, I'm using a new one from hcs (563)

Download links:

• vgmstream (r563)
• mpg123 (1.6.4)
• libvorbis (1.2.0)
• libmmd (9.1)

r563 is actually a bugfix for playing rwav from SEGA's Let's tap.

I can of course decrypt them and re-upload. hcs also developed a tool that already has a decryption key for JoD.

[Kentilan]

THAAANKS it's working now!

But where did you find it? I can only find r526 on google...

[Pyrii]

As I said, it's a test build from when I was poking hcs about the brsar format from Let's Tap. I need to poke him again because I'm having trouble unpacking some UTF Tabled sounds in JoD

EDIT: PaPaPaYa drills into your brain! (Let's Tap title theme)

[charlie]

Thanks Pyrii for the vgmstream links! I was wondering why I couldn't get it to work before lol.

EDIT:

Owl reveals himself for the total Spaz he is...

LMAO that sound clip was great!

[charlie]

There are 24 ADX files named N96CD_01.adx to N96CD_24.adx, and each of them sound like they are from NiD, but there is one song that I don't recognize. Maybe you guys have heard it before but I'm pretty sure I haven't.

Here is N96CD_21 as the ADX file and a recorded MP3 file.

EDIT: Thanks Penelopi for letting me know this is Selph's theme, Know Thyself. I feel so dumb lol.

[Penelopi]

There are 24 ADX files named N96CD_01.adx to N96CD_24.adx, and each of them sound like they are from NiD, but there is one song that I don't recognize. Maybe you guys have heard it before but I'm pretty sure I haven't.

Here is N96CD_21 as the ADX file and a recorded MP3 file.

The N96CD_21 is the one you don't recognize? It's Selph's theme, Know Thyself.

[charlie]

The N96CD_21 is the one you don't recognize? It's Selph's theme, Know Thyself.

Thanks Penelopi Obviously I don't know my NiGHTS songs as well as most lol. EDIT: I wonder why they even included the NiD songs on the JoD disc?? Weird

[phosphorus]

I recall hearing a bit about "Shadow NiGHTS", or something like that, was going to be included in JoD. It's been a while, though.

[Kentilan]

Thanks Penelopi Obviously I don't know my NiGHTS songs as well as most lol. EDIT: I wonder why they even included the NiD songs on the JoD disc?? Weird

You unlock the NiD OST in the game when you get all A ranks. It's a nice bonus

[Pyrii]

I'm trying to figure out these .one files which have the header "ThisIsOneFile" I think some compression is used, either that or it is just encased, I'm not sure...

[charlie]

For those that can play the ADX files on Winamp but don't have the files from JoD, I have uploaded the folder "hugeData" which contains the ADX files. I don't want to post the link to it here because it's a huge file, 863MB, and I'm hosting it on my website so to save some bandwidth I only want people downloading it if they really want it. If you send me a PM I'll send you the link.

[Kentilan]

I'm trying to figure out these .one files which have the header "ThisIsOneFile" I think some compression is used, either that or it is just encased, I'm not sure...

I already did that, you know That's how I could find the subtitles of the removed cutscenes.

Use this to extract the files:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3B0K3O2I (source code included)

[Pyrii]

For those that can play the ADX files on Winamp but don't have the files from JoD, I have uploaded the folder "hugeData" which contains the ADX files. I don't want to post the link to it here because it's a huge file, 863MB, and I'm hosting it on my website so to save some bandwidth I only want people downloading it if they really want it. If you send me a PM I'll send you the link.

I've already sent JoD's csb spec to hcs, but as it only contains sound effects, it's low priority. Did you end up including these csb files too?

I already did that, you know That's how I could find the subtitles of the removed cutscenes.

Use this to extract the files:
<a href="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3B0K3O2I" target="_blank">http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3B0K3O2I</a> (source code included)

See, as I don't program, I'm not exactly very good at this, I can look at the data, but sometimes I just can't do much with it. Is there any way to get the tool to extract files to a separate folder by default (or as an option maybe, for files that don't contain folder info) as my copy of the root folder is turning into a clusterf***

[Kentilan]

Is there any way to get the tool to extract files to a separate folder by default (or as an option maybe, for files that don't contain folder info) as my copy of the root folder is turning into a clusterf***

Well if you really want it I can try to modify the program, but maybe you should just copy the .one files somewhere else before extracting...

[charlie]

I've already sent JoD's csb spec to hcs, but as it only contains sound effects, it's low priority. Did you end up including these csb files too?

Yes, everything that's in the "hugeData" folder is included in the file I uploaded.

I already did that, you know That's how I could find the subtitles of the removed cutscenes.

Use this to extract the files:
<a href="http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3B0K3O2I" target="_blank">http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3B0K3O2I</a> (source code included)

Thanks Kentilan, I'm gonna have fun looking at more of these files.

[charlie]

See, as I don't program, I'm not exactly very good at this, I can look at the data, but sometimes I just can't do much with it. Is there any way to get the tool to extract files to a separate folder by default (or as an option maybe, for files that don't contain folder info) as my copy of the root folder is turning into a clusterf***

You can use this batch file. Just place it in the same folder as ONEX.exe and run the batch file. It will extract all .one files in that folder and place them in a separate folder called ONEX, and within that folder will be a separate folder for each .one file.

This is my first time creating a batch file

[Kentilan]

You can use this batch file. Just place it in the same folder as ONEX.exe and run the batch file. It will extract all .one files in that folder and place them in a separate folder called ONEX, and within that folder will be a separate folder for each .one file.

This is my first time creating a batch file

Nice! I had no idea you could do this with batch files

I *think* I've found out how to display animated models properly. Now I have to code it to be sure...

[Pyrii]

Nice! I had no idea you could do this with batch files

I *think* I've found out how to display animated models properly. Now I have to code it to be sure...

Cool, I am curious, is the animation bone or vertex based?

[Kentilan]

It is bone based. I haven't looked at the animation itself (in .brcha files), but the model uses bones.

[Maresuke]

It is bone based. I haven't looked at the animation itself (in .brcha files), but the model uses bones.

I'm also very interested into seeing those. You're all doing such great work. XD Making me squeal like a little kid.

[Kentilan]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YUW0HQBB

New version (with new sample models). Now it should load all models properly.
However, the auto texture loading doesn't always work, and some textures are not loaded. But aside from that (and the fact that it still doesn't handle transparency), it should work fine.
Also, I've modified Reala's model and removed his mask (it's in the sample models).
Enjoy

[Jof]

Any chance someone could post a mirror of this at another site ? Megaupload/Meagvideo keeps flashing me download limits exceeded, due to the way the network on my Halls is handled.