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Would you care to see a NiGHTS game with a darker theme?
It sorta makes sense for a game about nightmares to be dark. Hell, the last nightmare that I had was about mass murder.

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Would you care to see a NiGHTS game with a darker theme?
It sorta makes sense for a game about nightmares to be dark. Hell, the last nightmare that I had was about mass murder.



Yes, I think a lot of us would. I think it would be more interesting if Reala had captured Nights and had taken him to Wizeman only to discover that he wanted to replace Nights personality or soul with something else. And instead of Helen and Will wandering around boring forest mazes and kid friendly las vegas trying to find Nights they can wonder the corridors of Nightmare Casle or dimension wherever Wizeman was staring into space from. While wandering the hallways, instead of butterflies, bees, and other non scary animals Reala is chasing them kind of like the awakeners but scarier.

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Better yet, Reala transforms into some horrible hell beast of death and eats their souls and leaves their bodies behind to wither away and suffer eternal torture and horrible hallucinations for the rest of eternity, trapped within their own heads while a pair of evil ice-blue eyes stares at them from the darkness. I can imagine them collapsed in an insane asylum in the real world, huddled in a corner crying while doctors are scratching their heads because they can't see anything, but it's revealed that all the child can see is swirling shadows with evil blue eyes and a Cheshire Cat like grin peering at them from the darkness.
Trust me, it's much creepier than it sounds.

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Maybe. :D

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Oh man, they could give NiGHTS a handgun and have the background music alternate between gangsta rap and black metal...
I'll pass.

I don't have a problem with the idea of NiGHTS delving into horrific and mature themes but I would not want a game made excessively edgy so that it will appeal to high schoolers.

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Still, the whole concept of a darker NiGHTS is interesting, but it would kind of defeat the purpose of a NiGHTS game. NiGHTS games are supposed to be light and heartwarming.

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I enjoy my idea. I think I will animate something like that in my spare time.

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I never really saw any of the "nightmare"n to be all that frightening. They never seemed intent on killing anyone either.

By darker I only mean slightly. Not Shadow the Hedgehog dark.

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Oh man the perfect topic for me :D Hell yeah I'd love to see a darker NiGHTS. Enter the world of Nightmare where there is no guarantee of survival. It's you against the world with more horrid themes than those of a Silent Hill game and filled with more dark and moody music the game Yume Nikki.

I never really saw any of the "nightmare"n to be all that frightening. They never seemed intent on killing anyone either.

By darker I only mean slightly. Not Shadow the Hedgehog dark.

Of course not as dark as Shadow the Hedgeog. Darker. You know like a death metal music video or a gothic video. Maybe an absence of kids. Like NiGHTS rebels and makes it to Nightopia. However NiGHTS gets thrown back into the world of Nightmare by Wizeman shortly after his/her rebellion of the six handed villain. NiGHTS would have to work his/her way out of the place. Sounds like a prequel to the first game. The absence of voices would really enhance to overall moody feel of the game.

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Never thought of it that.
By the way, six handed villain.

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Never thought of it that.
By the way, six handed villain.

Oh sh** I was thinking to fast. Thanks lol. I didn't catch that.

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I do that occasionally. Makes my handwriting atrocious. My science teacher is always yelling at me about it. I'm like I CAN'T HELP IT! MY BRAIN WORKS FASTER THAN MY HAND!

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I do that occasionally. Makes my handwriting atrocious. My science teacher is always yelling at me about it. I'm like I CAN'T HELP IT! MY BRAIN WORKS FASTER THAN MY HAND!

or in this case my brain moves faster than my fingers

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I would, but, at the same time, I sorta wouldn't.

If it was done right.

i.e. Tim Burton-style or Okage-style.

They hired anyone who worked on Okage: Shadow King... it had such a mixture of cute x dark that it = epic win of mass proportions

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Darker NiGHTS... hm... that would be hard to imagine. NiGHTS games are always happy and cheerful, I can't really picture mass-murder or anything like that in a NiGHTS game.

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Darker NiGHTS... hm... that would be hard to imagine. NiGHTS games are always happy and cheerful, I can't really picture mass-murder or anything like that in a NiGHTS game.

It doesn't have to be mass murder though. It can just be a little unsettling. Not too much but at the same time a lot of fear pouring from the game. Yeah... definitely rated T

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I think there would be many awesome ways to infuse a new NiGHTS game with some darker imagery. The contrast between Nightopia and Nightmare leaves a lot of room for creative imaginings. Heck, just look at Helen's intro when she sees her mom's reflection. More of that in-game would be cool. Those wraith-like ghouls the kids see in their nightmare fantasies aren't even official Nightmaren. Why not? It'd be a new thing for NiGHTS to fight something like a ghost.

Where the dreamers are concerned, I think a key is making their problems and personalities as universal as possible, which I think Sonic Team has tried to do. Though I must say Helen's world seems a little too posh for the average kid's standards.

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I had always liked the thought of a darker theme into NiGHTS but nothing over the top simply darker and scarier, however, I also hope that the "cheery side" of the game stays intact. ex. NiGHTmare levels are scary/ creepy/ bizzar, and dream levels are joyful/ bright/ care-free feeling. I would also like to see bosses who's appearance/ fighting styles played on certain real life fears. ex. fear of snakes/ feeling like your being hunted...

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Maybe the bosses could look a little less like goddamn witch cats and fat clowns and a little more like goddamn chainsaw-weilding maniacs. Y'know. Just a thought.

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Maybe the bosses could look a little less like goddamn witch cats and fat clowns and a little more like goddamn chainsaw-weilding maniacs. Y'know. Just a thought.

Oogie Boogie = Puffy

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I always found it strange how the dreamers only ended up in Nightopia. If they were having a nightmare, shouldn't they end up in Nightmare?
The maren are sorta lame in terms of being nightmares. A snake/ghost one would be good. I can't even imagine anyone who is scared of balls or chameleons.(sp?) Spiders I understand, but balls? Real threatening Sega.

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*laughs hysterically*

Oogie Boogie = The lovechild of Puffy and a potato sack.

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I designed a maren that actually looks threatening. (As if you can get more threatening than a bouncing ball with boobs.)
Get this, it's a snake...with a knife for a tail...It looks better than it sounds...I'll try to get a picture up later.

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Get this, it's a snake...with a knife for a tail...It looks better than it sounds...I'll try to get a picture up later.

So.... it's Seviper, maren style?


Anyway, get this: http://www.fanfictio...l_of_Nightmares

I wrote that, yes I did, and see how dark you can't make NiGHTS now.

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So.... it's Seviper, maren style?

Crap, that never even crossed my mind when I made it. I guess they sort of look similar. Both do have the large fangs and tail blades. They're different enough though.

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I wrote that, yes I did, and see how dark you can't make NiGHTS now.


ARE YOU ASKING FOR A CHALLEEEEENGE?

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NiGHTS has now entered Berserker Mode. Abort Mission? ( Y / Y )

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oooooo I like that pic >:lol: NiD needs more eye-gouging :blink:
maybe puffy plays on Cacomorphobia: Fear of fat people :/
The Nightmares are now scary looking at all... I mean come-on! An angry, fluffy, SHEEP, nightmare? That's baaaaad... it's even worse than my pun.

OK maybe not AS bad as my pun but still bad...

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An angry, fluffy, SHEEP, nightmare?

I'd offer Black Sheep, but since I haven't seen that movie I can't say if it's actually scary or just laughable. Still, you can either argue that there's phobia for everything, or that it's supposed to look non-scary to fool people.

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On the topic of NiGHTS having a darker and more serious tone to it? I'm...not particularly sure if that's a good choice, while I like stepping into the darker aspects into it there's a certain charm I also like in it. A light, heart warming theme, but I can see them do nightmarish things - no need for taking souls, doing blood and gore, sometimes less is more in some instances. Leave it purely open to speculation alone so to speak! It's quite fascinating that way.

If it's to be dark, it'd be interestingly done in a more ...artistic style, no blood, no gore, perhaps in way of Okage. [ahhhh Okage~] Sometimes, simple things can make things irrational. For example, monsters in my dreams, horror movies I seen, none of them scare me as much as someone who might look absolutely and completely ... normal.

Then again I found the Silent Hill Series a psychological analysis more then a horror game, Resident Evil didn't scare me particularly... but ahhh, Fatal Frame on the other hand? That was enough to creep me out. My this has turned into a rambling about fear - hasn't it?

...To go a little offtopic about Black Sheep now!

I'd offer Black Sheep, but since I haven't seen that movie I can't say if it's actually scary or just laughable. Still, you can either argue that there's phobia for everything, or that it's supposed to look non-scary to fool people.


Honestly, I went in thinking it was a joke and it was ...one of the most ridiculously bloody, gory, and brutal movies I've seen. So I came out more or less confused, I mean I wasn't particularly scared or anything but a lot of the things could easily squick people.

SQUICK UNDER THE SPOILERS, DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU
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So overall, I was left with...should I be scared, or should I be humored? Honestly, you can't make a horror movie about sheep seriously. ;) It just leaves so many people confused.

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Darker NiGHTS? My answer is a resounding...

Hell No!!!

Theres enought angst in games nowadays. NiGHTS in my mind is a paragon of acid/LSD induced imagery of the gum drop smile and rainbow vomit variety. That's the way I like it, that's the way it's been, and it's worked pretty good so far.

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I disagree. NiGHTS should be a bit darker. I like the edge of darkness alot of the fics and art have. It's what drew me to NiGHTS, and it's what drew me to Kingdom Hearts. I'm the kind of person who likes darker story aspects, so I belive it would be appropriate.

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Darker NiGHTS? My answer is a resounding...

Hell No!!!

Theres enought angst in games nowadays.



Hey, wait...since when did dark = angst?

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Hey, wait...since when did dark = angst?

My guess: Because unfortunately some people just add some angst when they want something to be darker.

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My guess: Because unfortunately some people just add some angst when they want something to be darker.



That's too bad. When I think of dark, I don't think of self-destruction--rather, insanity, i.e. the above picture.

I think it's unfair to associate darkness with angst. Angst is more suited to the drama genre, not darkness. Drama and dark are two completely separate tones.

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AMEN! FInally! Someone said it!

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I'd offer Black Sheep, but since I haven't seen that movie I can't say if it's actually scary or just laughable. Still, you can either argue that there's phobia for everything, or that it's supposed to look non-scary to fool people.

I've seen odd film moments before... but this?
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I mean come-on!

ppl who've been looking into the NiGHTS 3 topic would know how much I've been ranting for a darker NiGHTS by now... but, imo, it would be interesting to see some twisted views in the story... and not stuff like "I AM GOD" but things that make sense and make you want to believe it but it's also abit twisted at the same time... then again I may be going above the mark being NiGHTS is still a "for everybody" game... not the best example...

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Hey, wait...since when did dark = angst?


I think everybody who's against a darker theme are afraid Sega will muck up the series like in Shadow the Hedgehog...(shudders) That game sucked :D .

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Ok, I got that picture of that snake maren up on my deviantART page. Here.
It's not my best, and it doesn't look as "dark" as I would like, but it's a start.

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I think everybody who's against a darker theme are afraid Sega will muck up the series like in Shadow the Hedgehog...(shudders) That game sucked :angry: .


Speak for yourself. I loved that game and want the NiGHTS series to try to step in that direction. Reala's own game. Guns, violence, cursing and doom. Muahahaha.




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