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Nightopia...
#1
Posted 26 April 2007 - 05:17 AM
I never used to wonder if another world of dreams was even possible. For the longest time, I considered dreams to be no more than scenes and stories born from our own minds - except for the odd "message" dream containing words of wisdom from an unknown source. But now that I have glimpsed lucid dreaming for myself, and after reading so many wonderous accounts from other fans, I can't help wondering!
What do you think are the chances of an actual dreaming world existing alongside ours?
#2
Posted 26 April 2007 - 05:32 AM
#3
Posted 26 April 2007 - 06:06 AM
#4
Posted 26 April 2007 - 08:39 AM
As much as it'd be great for entire dream worlds to exist, I know that the images we see are just run off from our brain processing what we did that day, with maybe a few old memorys thrown in.
But then you get lucid dreaming AND I GET CONFUSED. I mean seriously, how the heck is it even possible? I am a lucid dreamer, and even I don't know!
So maybe, we can create our own dream worlds, if we try hard enough. Becuase sometimes I do have recurring dreams. WHICH IS COOL.
Oh dood. Now I am going to go home and make my own world. HUZZAH. IT'S GOING TO HAVE CHOCOLATE.
#5
Posted 26 April 2007 - 10:21 AM
Or we all just get tired and hallucinate in our sleep. That's probably more feesable.
#6
Posted 26 April 2007 - 01:37 PM
Which leads me to agree with PRiNCE! I remember hearing that scientists have some theory about 10 dimensions - the first four we can see and measure for ourselves, width, height, depth, and time, to a certain degree. But they're considering the possibility that there are even MORE dimensions at work, and when they pass through ours, it causes all kinds of unexplained phenomena!
Perhaps through dreaming, something in the 90% of the human mind not often used wakes up and takes us to goodness-knows-where...
#7
Posted 26 April 2007 - 02:19 PM
As far as an actual other world, I dunno. As a kid I would always kick-start my dreams in the same way (by imagining a building was about to fall on me, and then I'd either run off within the dream or somebody from within the dream would pull me out of the way), but they didn't happen in the same place or time from one dream to another. As for science, it's still a mystery as to WHY we have to sleep and dream. Yeah, there are theories, but none of them have been proven yet. I've often got the impression that there's a massive world out there, and the dream we're in is only a part of it... though it's got some impressive views. So I guess it's a matter of perception. (Like that saying "the world is what you make of it"... only literally.)
Sorry, I'm not making any sense.
#8
Posted 26 April 2007 - 02:21 PM
As far as I'd love to see a dream world for myself, I have trouble falling asleep to the point of doing so. Even if I did, it's a fifty-fifty chance that I'll even have a dream. Curse my inability to fall asleep! >.<
#9
Posted 26 April 2007 - 03:13 PM
#10
Posted 26 April 2007 - 05:20 PM
#11
Posted 26 April 2007 - 09:21 PM
And probably even after that too.
#12
Posted 26 April 2007 - 10:46 PM
I, quite frankly, believe in Nightopia and Nightmare. It makes sense: Having that feeling when you're falling asleep while conscious, and suddenly waking yourself back up, and feeling as if your body was floating off to another dimension like I've experienced oh-so-many times before in my life. Even while having a Lucid dream, you can meet up with a fellow friend or dreamer and make them lucid. It's happened before, there's a whole website dedicated to it. To me, that's enough proof that it's more than just "all in our heads". Until people claimed they met NiGHTS in dreams, I was skeptical about the Dreamworld. But, now, I see things differently.
I think it's very possible that a Dreamworld might exist. But, that's just me.
#13
Posted 27 April 2007 - 01:01 AM
#14
Posted 27 April 2007 - 01:15 AM
#15
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:01 AM
Anyway, thought I'd mention, what I posted about human brain usage is something I heard AGES ago. I guess I kinda tied it into my own opinion/theory that humans may be capable of so much - yanno, the whole "untapped abilities" thing. Perhaps I read too much manga? ^^; Whether or not that brain theory still holds water, I honestly don't know.
Even so, it may be something that science can't touch. Like NNR07 said, that swooping sensation of snapping awake (in some cases, just before going lucid) is a little odd. Ah, so many questions and possibilities!
#16
Posted 29 April 2007 - 03:33 AM
#17
Posted 29 April 2007 - 03:42 AM
#18
Posted 29 April 2007 - 03:53 PM
I never agree with science. Sure, alot of it's true, but there are things that can't solve.
Like VERTiGO said, the dreamworld is probally like cyberspace. Reminds me of .hack
I also tend to believe that they are portals to other worlds in our galixy or even paralel universes. For the people who can lucid dream, they can interact with the worlds they see, but others just go along for the ride.
About the brain thing... of course we don't use all our brains. We have wasted it on frilly prep things and on the people who are "normal" XD
#19
Posted 29 April 2007 - 05:09 PM
My personal beliefs... I've stumbled across far too many coincidences in my dreams; locations that are identical to those of others, far too many events of vividly remembered deja vu... The latter applies more towards the concept of precognition, which I do believe in just out of the trial and error system used in science experiments. Those coincidences? I didn't even know the people had seen these before I discovered this. The same floating castle in the sky? The only differences being that one looked more aged than the other, but who's to say how quickly time passes in a dream?
Personally, I'm not sure if I believe in a collective dream/unconscious thing or a separate "plane". I'm more inclined to believe in the latter, just because I don't know how much a human mind can really create some of what we see. Yes, we do only remember certain dreams, as we have more than one a night, but who's to say that what we see around us as a dreamscape doesn't just switch? Something might trigger it.
And as it's been brought up, I'm going to address it: honestly, science can only tell us so much. A common thing I hear science professors say is "science doesn't prove anything for certain; just that theories work/are applicable". While I'm not saying that to discredit the more scientific thinkers on this board, it does influence me to think that science can't tell us everything.
But yeah. xD; I don't mean to sound argumentative or condescending or anything of the sort, just in case I do.
#20
Posted 29 April 2007 - 05:18 PM
But I'm a childish little thing.
#21
Posted 29 April 2007 - 09:29 PM
Well, a simple Google search brought up thisThe mention of the 100% vs 10% use- where's your data? (genuine curiosity, not meaning to challenge; I need to find the articles wherein they mention the 10%, myself XD; )
And this
Although there is a lot of our brain, I think, that we do not conciously use; for example, the brain has several automatic vision tricks that we cannot control, which is what causes optical illusions (The two lines are the same size, but one is bigger).
The thing about science is that it cannot prove things, only disprove things. (ie you cannot prove that on planet Earth, every time a ball is thrown up it will go down. You can DISPROVE, however, a ball going up and staying up when it is thrown up on planet Earth).
The thing about "dream worlds" is that it cannot be proven or disproven by science. Hence science tries to avoid such things.
#22
Posted 30 April 2007 - 12:45 AM
And I remember hearing somewhere that the 10% thing is a myth. I think it's supposed to be that only ten percent is used at a time. Or something. (I really don't know... just something I heard.)
#23
Posted 30 April 2007 - 10:35 AM
Besides, I've always believed that there is a place where dreams and ideas come from. Whether that place is within ourselves or without, I really can't say.
#24
Posted 03 May 2007 - 04:38 PM
It's like people have said here, science can't prove it all. Even thought I really don't want to believe in ghosts and those aliens stories, in other words, not everything other people believe in, I only want to believe in what I like. That's why I've been telling myself that there's a Dream world, and yet I still know about the "brains waves" and other thinks that are suposed to make you dream.
Imagine that a scientist actually finds the truth behind it all. I won't care. I already hate reality enough not to believe in Dream Worlds. So yeah, I like to believe in "escapes". That's how I see dreams, as "escapes" (well, certainly not those last crappy ones I've been having. -.-) from this reality. We can call it Cyberspace or other universes, but anyways, it's more of what you want it to be. I want a "escape" Dream World, that's for sure.
Now, did anyone actually cared to read all of this ? =.='
#25
Posted 04 May 2007 - 03:51 AM
Example, People have dreams of Lynnes "WTAHM" story, while Lynne has them herself.
Just an example... I'm not sure if I even believe it anymoar..
#26
Posted 04 May 2007 - 05:00 AM
I've also heard... everywhere that sleeping is close to death anyhoot.
lawl I don't have enough stuff to back my theory up D: It's just what I've gathered from my own dreams and whatnot.
#27
Posted 04 May 2007 - 06:07 AM
#28
Posted 04 May 2007 - 05:52 PM
I like this idea. I've never talked to anyone I know that's dead in my dreams, but I have met people who give me either the "I'm alive" vibe or the "I was once alive" or the "I will be alive" vibes.Uuhhhnn darn, I guess I'm the only one who thinks that the places where dreams occur are the places/is the place we go when we die, our little Heaven, I guess.. I only started believing that when in the old forums, someone mentioned that there was a woman they'd seen a lot who claimed she was once alive. Back in October, my mother and my stepfather got into a motorcycle accident that ended my stepfathers' life. I'm re-tar-ded and can't remember when exactly, but I sat and spoke with him in a dream. He asked me about my mother and his daughters and everything and we just... talked. Seen him two more times after that and had just fun dreams with him (we fought a giant robot he got to be Superman ;n;).
I've also heard... everywhere that sleeping is close to death anyhoot.
lawl I don't have enough stuff to back my theory up D: It's just what I've gathered from my own dreams and whatnot.
I mean, I've met people who looked...very similar to people I've met in dreams, and some people I know have too.
#29
Guest_PianFairy_*
Posted 05 May 2007 - 04:42 AM
#30
Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:14 AM
I think that sonic team asks themselves the same question...
why else would they create NiGHTS?
plus the fact that sonic and NiGHTS are basically in parralel.
I think that there is a NiGHTS version of me, somewhere in my mind. Just waiting to escape. Just like my hedgehog version escaped.
but...anyway...
I think that it can exsist....if we dream that it exsists.
Just like in sonic Shuffle; how else would you know if a dream world exsists unless you dream it first.
goodnight.
....and sweet dreams.
#31
Posted 07 May 2007 - 04:41 PM
Uuhhhnn darn, I guess I'm the only one who thinks that the places where dreams occur are the places/is the place we go when we die, our little Heaven, I guess..
That's EXACTLY how I see it... thank you for wording it for me! XD
Seriously, I think that this could very well be a good theory. I live according to the Discworld philosophy (What happens after you die? Whatever you believe will happen.) and death ---> dreamworld has been my personal belief for quite some time.
Now, I don't have anything to back this up with, just a thought that crossed my mind... I've heard of people that put themselves into a trance/meditate until they reach a serene state of mind and then come in contact with deceased loved ones. Is it just me, or does that resemble some sort of...forced lucid dreaming? Maybe Nightopia IS a sort of spiritual dimension...
#32
Posted 09 May 2007 - 04:03 AM
Heh, it almost dares to contradict some of the beliefs I've followed my whole life. But it makes too much sense to be written off! And we can't ignore lucid dreaming, or even the dreams we have no control over, but feel as though they really did happen somewhere. Our imagination may only play a part.
#33
Posted 01 June 2007 - 03:34 PM
also, foofy, ive had dreams like that. My uncle passed 7 years ago and seldomly Ill have a dream where we will talk to each other, and It seems so real.
#34
Posted 28 June 2007 - 01:12 AM
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Posted 28 June 2007 - 01:52 AM
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Posted 28 June 2007 - 02:48 AM
#37
Posted 04 July 2007 - 12:21 AM
#38
Posted 04 July 2007 - 10:39 PM
#39
Guest_submas13_*
Posted 24 August 2007 - 11:51 PM
#40
Posted 28 August 2007 - 05:10 PM
Although the chances that there is 'another world' made of dreams is pretty slim, I do think that people themselves can make the world for themselves. Since it has been known that people can share dreamscapes, why not people share dreams together?
That's actually a pretty valid point. There have been cases where people share identical dreams. Unfortunately, at this point in time, no one knows much about why some dreams are shared.
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