Nightopia...

Alrighty, rather vague topic, but it's one I've wanted to see discussed for some time. XD; If it bores you or has been talked to death, then by all means, we can move on to something else!

I never used to wonder if another world of dreams was even possible. For the longest time, I considered dreams to be no more than scenes and stories born from our own minds - except for the odd "message" dream containing words of wisdom from an unknown source. But now that I have glimpsed lucid dreaming for myself, and after reading so many wonderous accounts from other fans, I can't help wondering!

What do you think are the chances of an actual dreaming world existing alongside ours?

None. I wish but I feel none. I believe its all in our subconsciousness. But I am a pessimist...so I don't count. >.<

Oh come now, of course you count! Slightly pessimistic you may be, which is perfectly understandable, but it's an opinion all the same. :3 And hey, you wish to see it anyway, right?

I love fantasy so much, but I am still a girl of science DX

As much as it'd be great for entire dream worlds to exist, I know that the images we see are just run off from our brain processing what we did that day, with maybe a few old memorys thrown in.

But then you get lucid dreaming AND I GET CONFUSED. I mean seriously, how the heck is it even possible? I am a lucid dreamer, and even I don't know!

So maybe, we can create our own dream worlds, if we try hard enough. Becuase sometimes I do have recurring dreams. WHICH IS COOL.

Oh dood. Now I am going to go home and make my own world. HUZZAH. IT'S GOING TO HAVE CHOCOLATE.

I always believed it was possible. Until a few years ago. You know, I believed it when I was eight or nine, a world where dreams exist. Special energies protect the dreams, yada yada. I do believe, however, that there is a dimension! Go ahead and laugh, I care not. I believe that there is a dimension we can only enter through sleep. This dimension can be changed by our minds.
Or we all just get tired and hallucinate in our sleep. That's probably more feesable.

Science ain't a bad thing, Cow Demon! :3 After all, they were able to prove lucid dreaming scientifically - which makes the whole thing even stranger, don't it? LOL! I thought the same as you, until I had a few dreams concerning the future.. and then they came true. I mean, yikes! What's going on?

Which leads me to agree with PRiNCE! I remember hearing that scientists have some theory about 10 dimensions - the first four we can see and measure for ourselves, width, height, depth, and time, to a certain degree. But they're considering the possibility that there are even MORE dimensions at work, and when they pass through ours, it causes all kinds of unexplained phenomena!

Perhaps through dreaming, something in the 90% of the human mind not often used wakes up and takes us to goodness-knows-where...

Ninety percent of the human mind isn't often used? Which 90% would that be? (Devil's advocate, sorry.)

As far as an actual other world, I dunno. As a kid I would always kick-start my dreams in the same way (by imagining a building was about to fall on me, and then I'd either run off within the dream or somebody from within the dream would pull me out of the way), but they didn't happen in the same place or time from one dream to another. As for science, it's still a mystery as to WHY we have to sleep and dream. Yeah, there are theories, but none of them have been proven yet. I've often got the impression that there's a massive world out there, and the dream we're in is only a part of it... though it's got some impressive views. So I guess it's a matter of perception. (Like that saying "the world is what you make of it"... only literally.)

Sorry, I'm not making any sense.

I haven't seen a 'dream world' as far as I remember. But I do believe that a dream world is possible for anyone to visit. In the case of NiD, dream worlds are created by that dreamer and differ from the dreamers.

As far as I'd love to see a dream world for myself, I have trouble falling asleep to the point of doing so. Even if I did, it's a fifty-fifty chance that I'll even have a dream. Curse my inability to fall asleep! >.<

honestly I'm not sure what to think. Dreams come from an individual and are effected by that individuals life. However I do believe in a collective unconsciousness in which we all effect each other in a small way. I think shared dreams are possible through this. and I believe that the collective unconsciousness itself is what one may consider to be nightopia. The hard bit is breaking through your own dreams shell and attempting to interact with it.

For the record, humans use 100% of their brains. The 90% thing is a commonly quoted "amazing fact" that is not true. Like glass being "a supercooled liquid" (it's technically a solid).

Myself, I believe that anything is possible. One of my friends once said to me that "Every bit of imagination is probably inspired by something that already exists elsewhere, either within this dimension, or another." And I like to believe that. Whilst I'm not sure if collective dreams can happen (I don't know if I've actually experienced it myself, y'see), even if they don't it does not prove that another world doesn't exist. And until science can prove that our mind stays in our bodies when we sleep, I shall forever believe that dreams are a gateway to a whole new world.

And probably even after that too.

Personally, I live my life basically how Feniiku described it. Until disproven, all things exist (to me).

I, quite frankly, believe in Nightopia and Nightmare. It makes sense: Having that feeling when you're falling asleep while conscious, and suddenly waking yourself back up, and feeling as if your body was floating off to another dimension like I've experienced oh-so-many times before in my life. Even while having a Lucid dream, you can meet up with a fellow friend or dreamer and make them lucid. It's happened before, there's a whole website dedicated to it. To me, that's enough proof that it's more than just "all in our heads". Until people claimed they met NiGHTS in dreams, I was skeptical about the Dreamworld. But, now, I see things differently.

I think it's very possible that a Dreamworld might exist. But, that's just me.

I'm with SUSPi. I believe in Nightopia and Nightmare.

I believe in such places and we can go to them in our sleep, but I don't think we can go to certain places within it like Splash Garden or Spring Valley for they are personal dreamscapes to other dreamers. I believe we all have our own dreamscapes as well, I found mine already, at least I think its mine. Its stated in the "Your Favorite Dream" topic if you are interested. I also do think that there is more than just Nightopia out there, including a world we can physically find ourselves in, but thats another long and off topic story lol.

Thanks for replying, everyone! X3 It's so cool to read people's actual theories and beliefs about this without getting funny looks from other people. *sweatdrop*

Anyway, thought I'd mention, what I posted about human brain usage is something I heard AGES ago. I guess I kinda tied it into my own opinion/theory that humans may be capable of so much - yanno, the whole "untapped abilities" thing. Perhaps I read too much manga? ^^; Whether or not that brain theory still holds water, I honestly don't know.

Even so, it may be something that science can't touch. Like NNR07 said, that swooping sensation of snapping awake (in some cases, just before going lucid) is a little odd. Ah, so many questions and possibilities!

Well, I don't know about one, singular Dream World. More like...Lotsa little ones. Everyone has a made-up place that's prominent in their dreams, right? For me, it's two different areas of the same place. It's either a big, stormy ocean with a large pier, and a small island. Or a large, night-time city. I know it's one place because I sometimes see the city from the water. I've named the ocean bit "Thunderous Ocean"(oooo, so original! XP). Dunno what to call the actual city. But...Yeah. Many small dream worlds, not one huge one. That's my view. =3

Or... how I think of it, especially after watching that documentary on th discovery channel about the string theory, that it isnt but a world, instead it's an entire universe. We all just have our places in it that we go when we lie in a dormant state. We arent necessarily there, we just see it. It's like Cyberspace. Cyberspace is a universe with very different laws than our own. Computers are a portal to view and manipulate that universe. Perhaps that explains lucid dreaming too. Some of us are capable of manipulating what goes on in that other universe... ok, I'm done. i started to ramble for a second there. I'm unsure whether I got my point across or not, but that's my view on it. Hard to put those types of things into words.

Okay let's see here...
I never agree with science. Sure, alot of it's true, but there are things that can't solve.
Like VERTiGO said, the dreamworld is probally like cyberspace. Reminds me of .hack
I also tend to believe that they are portals to other worlds in our galixy or even paralel universes. For the people who can lucid dream, they can interact with the worlds they see, but others just go along for the ride.
About the brain thing... of course we don't use all our brains. We have wasted it on frilly prep things and on the people who are "normal" XD

The mention of the 100% vs 10% use- where's your data? (genuine curiosity, not meaning to challenge; I need to find the articles wherein they mention the 10%, myself XD; )

My personal beliefs... I've stumbled across far too many coincidences in my dreams; locations that are identical to those of others, far too many events of vividly remembered deja vu... The latter applies more towards the concept of precognition, which I do believe in just out of the trial and error system used in science experiments. Those coincidences? I didn't even know the people had seen these before I discovered this. The same floating castle in the sky? The only differences being that one looked more aged than the other, but who's to say how quickly time passes in a dream?

Personally, I'm not sure if I believe in a collective dream/unconscious thing or a separate "plane". I'm more inclined to believe in the latter, just because I don't know how much a human mind can really create some of what we see. Yes, we do only remember certain dreams, as we have more than one a night, but who's to say that what we see around us as a dreamscape doesn't just switch? Something might trigger it.

And as it's been brought up, I'm going to address it: honestly, science can only tell us so much. A common thing I hear science professors say is "science doesn't prove anything for certain; just that theories work/are applicable". While I'm not saying that to discredit the more scientific thinkers on this board, it does influence me to think that science can't tell us everything.

But yeah. xD; I don't mean to sound argumentative or condescending or anything of the sort, just in case I do.

I believe in a lot of things that science can't explain. I wouldn't want to specifically label it "Nightropia" here, because that would open up a whole other can of worms.. but maybe I believe because of the kind of person I am. A big part of who I am has to do with imagination and loving/being interested in magical things, ghosts, etc and all kinds of things that science hasn't fully explained yet. Life would be boring for me if I didn't.. But not just that it would be boring, I just don't think science can explain every bitty little thing.
But I'm a childish little thing.

The mention of the 100% vs 10% use- where's your data? (genuine curiosity, not meaning to challenge; I need to find the articles wherein they mention the 10%, myself XD; )

Well, a simple Google search brought up this

And this

Although there is a lot of our brain, I think, that we do not conciously use; for example, the brain has several automatic vision tricks that we cannot control, which is what causes optical illusions (The two lines are the same size, but one is bigger).

The thing about science is that it cannot prove things, only disprove things. (ie you cannot prove that on planet Earth, every time a ball is thrown up it will go down. You can DISPROVE, however, a ball going up and staying up when it is thrown up on planet Earth).

The thing about "dream worlds" is that it cannot be proven or disproven by science. Hence science tries to avoid such things.

I've always believed in a dream world, but more in the sense that the human imagination can create anything. It doesn't necessarily have to be a literal world that your mind travels to, because you can dream up a whole world of your own.

And I remember hearing somewhere that the 10% thing is a myth. I think it's supposed to be that only ten percent is used at a time. Or something. (I really don't know... just something I heard.)

I sort of believe in a dream world, yes. =) I believe that there's some kind of plane/dimension where our inner thoughts and energies can shape the world(s) around them. I also believe that there's some kind of place where supposedly 'fictional' characters and events are 'real', because if you subscribe to the theory that there are an infinite number of realities out there, then of course there'll be one where dragons exist, or floating castles, or even purple flying jesters.

Besides, I've always believed that there is a place where dreams and ideas come from. Whether that place is within ourselves or without, I really can't say.

I'm actually a "Reality-girl", which I absolutely hate (the dream world is so much better), but I'm not that sure if a dream world exists. Since I saw a darn "Have intelligent habits" pocket-book where it says how to estimulate the hormons that make you "happy", I've been confused.

It's like people have said here, science can't prove it all. Even thought I really don't want to believe in ghosts and those aliens stories, in other words, not everything other people believe in, I only want to believe in what I like. That's why I've been telling myself that there's a Dream world, and yet I still know about the "brains waves" and other thinks that are suposed to make you dream.

Imagine that a scientist actually finds the truth behind it all. I won't care. I already hate reality enough not to believe in Dream Worlds. So yeah, I like to believe in "escapes". That's how I see dreams, as "escapes" (well, certainly not those last crappy ones I've been having. -.-) from this reality. We can call it Cyberspace or other universes, but anyways, it's more of what you want it to be. I want a "escape" Dream World, that's for sure.

Now, did anyone actually cared to read all of this ? =.='

As a child I always believed that, almost like the cartoon "chalk zone", that what we dream has it's own little deminsion. And when two dreamers dream of something similar it's like said dreamers enter this certain dreams deminsion.
Example, People have dreams of Lynnes "WTAHM" story, while Lynne has them herself.

Just an example... I'm not sure if I even believe it anymoar..

Uuhhhnn darn, I guess I'm the only one who thinks that the places where dreams occur are the places/is the place we go when we die, our little Heaven, I guess.. I only started believing that when in the old forums, someone mentioned that there was a woman they'd seen a lot who claimed she was once alive. Back in October, my mother and my stepfather got into a motorcycle accident that ended my stepfathers' life. I'm re-tar-ded and can't remember when exactly, but I sat and spoke with him in a dream. He asked me about my mother and his daughters and everything and we just... talked. Seen him two more times after that and had just fun dreams with him (we fought a giant robot :D he got to be Superman ;n;).

I've also heard... everywhere that sleeping is close to death anyhoot.

lawl I don't have enough stuff to back my theory up D: It's just what I've gathered from my own dreams and whatnot.

I am also into this dream world. We have our thoughts imagine the place and how we feel in our thoughts. Thats how it feels mostly. Just love to really visit places like Nightophia and other nice places.

Uuhhhnn darn, I guess I'm the only one who thinks that the places where dreams occur are the places/is the place we go when we die, our little Heaven, I guess.. I only started believing that when in the old forums, someone mentioned that there was a woman they'd seen a lot who claimed she was once alive. Back in October, my mother and my stepfather got into a motorcycle accident that ended my stepfathers' life. I'm re-tar-ded and can't remember when exactly, but I sat and spoke with him in a dream. He asked me about my mother and his daughters and everything and we just... talked. Seen him two more times after that and had just fun dreams with him (we fought a giant robot he got to be Superman ;n;).

I've also heard... everywhere that sleeping is close to death anyhoot.

lawl I don't have enough stuff to back my theory up D: It's just what I've gathered from my own dreams and whatnot.

I like this idea. I've never talked to anyone I know that's dead in my dreams, but I have met people who give me either the "I'm alive" vibe or the "I was once alive" or the "I will be alive" vibes.
I mean, I've met people who looked...very similar to people I've met in dreams, and some people I know have too.

Having your own dream place would be sooooo coooooll!! i'd want to dream I am a fairy pricness in a magic place every time I go to sleep *~yesyes~*

Interesting topic...

I think that sonic team asks themselves the same question...

why else would they create NiGHTS?

plus the fact that sonic and NiGHTS are basically in parralel.

I think that there is a NiGHTS version of me, somewhere in my mind. Just waiting to escape. Just like my hedgehog version escaped.

but...anyway...

I think that it can exsist....if we dream that it exsists.

Just like in sonic Shuffle; how else would you know if a dream world exsists unless you dream it first.

goodnight.


....and sweet dreams.

Uuhhhnn darn, I guess I'm the only one who thinks that the places where dreams occur are the places/is the place we go when we die, our little Heaven, I guess..

That's EXACTLY how I see it... thank you for wording it for me! XD

Seriously, I think that this could very well be a good theory. I live according to the Discworld philosophy (What happens after you die? Whatever you believe will happen.) and death ---> dreamworld has been my personal belief for quite some time.

Now, I don't have anything to back this up with, just a thought that crossed my mind... I've heard of people that put themselves into a trance/meditate until they reach a serene state of mind and then come in contact with deceased loved ones. Is it just me, or does that resemble some sort of...forced lucid dreaming? Maybe Nightopia IS a sort of spiritual dimension...

A spiritual dimension.. yanno, that makes a good amount of sense! A dimension where dreamer's own dreamscapes are maintained and lived out.. and of course there's no telling what truly happens after death, so who knows what we'll find?

Heh, it almost dares to contradict some of the beliefs I've followed my whole life. But it makes too much sense to be written off! And we can't ignore lucid dreaming, or even the dreams we have no control over, but feel as though they really did happen somewhere. Our imagination may only play a part.

I don't believe that could happen. Dreams are just, as you could say, videos and visions of your life, played out in your subconscious state of mind, aka sleep. While it is a cool thing to fantasize about, and trust me, as pessimistic as this sounds, if it were real I probably would sleep 20 hours a day and go see some of you guys in the dream world, but sadly it is impossible. *sob*


also, foofy, ive had dreams like that. My uncle passed 7 years ago and seldomly Ill have a dream where we will talk to each other, and It seems so real.

Honestly, I am 100% sure that there is a Nightopia out there somewhere. You just need to believe in it and have a really open mind. If you believe in it enough, then you'll be able to see it!

Well, who's to say. Suppose a world does exist, how would we know? The only team we visit would be when we're not conscious. Say there isn't a hosting world for dreams, that's not to say we can't create our own dream world when we are lucid. Hehe, I'm not pessimist nor optimist. I'm realist. The ideya idea (try saying that five times quickly) isn't so far-fetched either. I sure have a lot of stuff projected into my dream energies if you know what I mean.

I believe there is a possibility i have a pretty detailed background in metaphysical gobbley goobily (i mean that in a nice way, not a condescending way) but if there is then i've never been there

A dream world? Highly unlikely in my opinion because dreams are nothing more than images and sounds collected from the physical world. If it were an alternate universe, Then why do our physical forms stay in the real world? The brain is highly active when in REM sleep, so it displays images or sounds that we've seen or heard at some point in our life. Dreams are a bit like a mosaic; it pieces together real world concepts and thoughts to form a dream. I am not scoffing at the theory, I'm just saying that all scientific evidence so far does not support it.

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Although the chances that there is 'another world' made of dreams is pretty slim, I do think that people themselves can make the world for themselves. Since it has been known that people can share dreamscapes, why not people share dreams together?

Although the chances that there is 'another world' made of dreams is pretty slim, I do think that people themselves can make the world for themselves. Since it has been known that people can share dreamscapes, why not people share dreams together?

That's actually a pretty valid point. There have been cases where people share identical dreams. Unfortunately, at this point in time, no one knows much about why some dreams are shared.