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[ShadiWulf]

Something that's still nagging at me though is why Tails and Knuckles were not on that list of characters. If they wanted to make a point that Sonic is the only character in the game then putting someone like Tails on that list would have really cemented this fact when Tails would eventually get stamped out. So what gives?

Maybe Tails and Knuckles will be DLC! xP

[DiGi Valentine]

Maybe Tails and Knuckles will be DLC! xP

Exclusive to Xbox 360!

[ShadiWulf]

Exclusive to Xbox 360!

FFFUUUUU don't start that xD

[Nemoide]

Maybe they thought that putting Tails and Knuckles on the list would make older fans excited to see them in the game. Since the image was designed to get the oldschool fans to say "thank the gaming gods that only Sonic will be playable" they probably wanted to avoid the most likable characters. JUST A GUESS.

[DiGi Valentine]

FFFUUUUU don't start that xD

ok ok XD;; ....though if it does, woah, i deserve a fantastic punch in that case for provoking this

JUST A GUESS.

...that's probably a very good guess, actually o.o Totally didn't think of that

[Jof]

Actually, the way they worded the reveal means we could very well see them playable in the game. They said there would be no NEW characters, playable or otherwise. And that ficus would be MAINLY on sonic. Nothing there says Tails and Knuckles couldn't be playable.

Sonic 3 was MAINLY about Sonic too, eh?

[Razer112]

NiGHTS for ASR = Tails and Knuckles for Needlemouse.

Just a thought.

[Noctourne Wonderland]

NiGHTS for ASR = Tails and Knuckles for Needlemouse.

Sega will just love you.

I don't think that Needlemouse should have any effect on continuity. Sonic's plot is about as wonky as Zelda's, so to add some retroactive piece of timeline would be really odd. I'd love to have something like Sonic 1:

• Robotnik kidnaps animals and makes badniks.
• Sonic frees animals.
• Sonic Fights Robotnik.

Lather, rinse, repeat until the final showdown in Eggy's super techo fortress of doom.

[DiGi Valentine]

They're calling this 'Sonic the Hedgehog 4'. That's the word online right now, it seems. Though i wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if it's true.

So, let us discuss what this means. They're claiming this game is gonna be good enough to continue the Mega Drive series by actually putting the number 4 on the end of the title.

This is a really tall order and i'm hoping they can back up this boast because the original series of games on the Mega Drive are legendary by anybodies standards. Making a 4th title means they're going to have to REALLY put the work in if it's going to be good enough.

If this really is Sonic The Hedgehog 4 then this could make or break a lot of fans. The old skool fans have been waiting for something like this to come along. Now it might have '4' added on to the title and that's a lot of weight to carry and if it fails ...well ...who knows. As i said, could make or break an entire community. You know how the Sonic fanbase can be at times.

[Nemoide]

I don't think it's really a good idea to name it Sonic 4. There have just been too many non-numbered Sonic games, it makes it kind of weird.

I want to stay optimistic, this very well might end up on par with the original games. I'm sure it will top Sonic 1 at least...

[Zero-Shift]

Most fans are so jaded now I don't think it will make or break the fanbase. The only thing I'm curious if it will break is the Sonic cycle of disappointment.

It is a tall order though. Thos original games just got better and better with each installment.

[DiGi Valentine]

Thos original games just got better and better with each installment.

They certainly did. Wouldn't it be nice if this 'Sonic 4' does everything those games did but better so it actually continues this trend? I'm really hoping for a lot with this game. Perhaps i shouldn't in case i'm dissapointed.

[viperxmns]

http://www.tssznews....ct-needlemouse/

Hm.. they just gotta come up with inventive level designs.. this is key in making it not feel like a rehash. I just hope they ditch grind-rails, rails in 2D are kinda pointless. The Advance series is littered with them and I don't like it.

[Noctourne Wonderland]

I don't want it to be Sonic 4. The series has prgressed to the point where a number would make things confusing, it would lead to timeline debates, and I just don't thik that it can capture the mood of the early games. They could recreate every detail, but nostalgia would just make it seem like a fun return to the past for a few moments, not an entirely new adventure.

[Jof]

I whipped this edit up over at Sonic Retro during a discussion about re-designing Sonic. If Needlemouse uses 3D models, I want it to look like this.

[JaxTH]

Since when do people debate over timelines in Sonic (Besides the 3D babies, who only then talk about the 3D games)?

[Noctourne Wonderland]

Since when do people debate over timelines in Sonic (Besides the 3D babies, who only then talk about the 3D games)?

Maybe I'm crazy, maybe there's too much Zelda influence, but Sonic has a plot!
---
Plot Arc #1- The Numbered games

Sonic- Robotnik takes over an island, but it defeated by sonic and flees to another island. Sonic follows him, and thus we get...

Sonic 2- Now having followed Robotnik to Island #2, Sonic teams up with tails to stop the creation of the Death Egg, Robotnnik's new doomsday machine. They save the day, but it crashes on Angel Island, home of...

Sonic 3- Again on a different island, Robotnik is rebuilding his Death Egg, and using a native of the island, Knuckles, to delay Sonic. The DE is almost lauched, when Sonic destroys it, sending it careening back into Angel Island.

Sonic and Knuckles- In the meantime, Robotnik has created the Egg-Robo, which he sends after Knuckles for being a pretty useless henchman and holder of more magical jewels. Now that everyone is out to get Robotnik, he's doomed, and the day is saved. Since the Death Egg rubble is out floating in space, Robotnik needs a new plan.

There were a number of spin-offs, but I haven't played them all, so I can't tell the story. I do know the 3-D games, so that means...

Plot Arc #2- Adventure

Adventure- Robotnik has landed back on Earth, and has decided to resurrect an ancient god of chaos. That affects everyone in the Sonic series, and Robotnik is doomed again. Since he's incompetent with giant floating ships, he decides to go use his ancestor's machines in...

Adventure 2- Now Eggman has revived his grandfather's creation, Shadow, and the Space Colony ARK. With those and a gorgeous bat, he trys to take over the world. (Of course!) Again, everyone defeats Eggy, and Shadow jumps out the window, starting...

Plot Arc #3- The Shadow Chronicles

Sonic Heroes- A bunch of stuff happens here, but all that's significant is Shadow. He's survived, and has no memory of anything. After saving the world, Rouge discovers that there are several Shadows, which come into play in...

Shadow the Hedgehog- It's just Shadow backstory. I know that that's no detail, but it has relation to the arc.
---

And there you have it. I haven't really played through the Post-Shadow games, so I can't comment. The point is the every Sonic game in the main series has some baring on a series of plot arcs. Each has a different tone, but that can, for the most part, be tied together.

[DiGi Valentine]

You know, those 4 MegaDrive/Genesis games connected so well. Epic stuff. All told without a single line of in game text, lol.

[TRiPPY]

Ah man Jof that's awesome!

[iLLViLLAiN]

You know, those 4 MegaDrive/Genesis games connected so well. Epic stuff. All told without a single line of in game text, lol.

Lol You're right about that. One of the best ways to tell a story in a video game if you ask me.

[Razer112]

Is it me, or does Sonic 3 take place Straight after Sonic 2?
Basically, He jumps off the Death Egg, Tails Catches him, He goes Super Sonic, they fly to Angel Island, Knuckles comes in and goes BOOMHEADSHOT and steals Sonic's emeralds, then Sonic 3 happens.

I'd love the cutscenes to be like Sonic 3's where it's still in the level, and it's shown from the same camera, but the characters do whatever, but in HD they could do much more detailed things like expressions and emotions. I don't want any dialogue but the characters using just "HEY!" "OW!" "Ha!" and other 1 word phrases.

[daru]

as a fan of sonic and NiGHTS this game better not be a piece of crap

[Nemoide]

Is it me, or does Sonic 3 take place Straight after Sonic 2?
Basically, He jumps off the Death Egg, Tails Catches him, He goes Super Sonic, they fly to Angel Island, Knuckles comes in and goes BOOMHEADSHOT and steals Sonic's emeralds, then Sonic 3 happens.

Yep, and Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles were originally supposed to be the same game, so S&K takes place immediately after S3.

[YamiLover13]

As far as Timeline is concerned, I always just thought of it in the order they were released back in the Genesis day. It never seemed to matter back then.... It was just a new Sonic game! (Note I am not including spin offs...so this would really only add CD, Chaotix, and maybe 3D Blast depending if you want to call that a spin off or not.)

Love how the site was taken down before I could see it. This is all you get now. http://www.tssznews....oring-coverage/ Yay getting in trouble for leaked info...again!

Either way, I notice some saying it mentioned it being a download episode series on the Xbox Live and PSN. Poor Wii only folks.

[Noctourne Wonderland]

Is it me, or does Sonic 3 take place Straight after Sonic 2?
Basically, He jumps off the Death Egg, Tails Catches him, He goes Super Sonic, they fly to Angel Island, Knuckles comes in and goes BOOMHEADSHOT and steals Sonic's emeralds, then Sonic 3 happens.

I'd love the cutscenes to be like Sonic 3's where it's still in the level, and it's shown from the same camera, but the characters do whatever, but in HD they could do much more detailed things like expressions and emotions. I don't want any dialogue but the characters using just "HEY!" "OW!" "Ha!" and other 1 word phrases.

Sonic 1 is the only Mega Drive/Genesis game that doesn't really blend into the next. Maybe Needlemouse will bridge that gap, and lead up to his meeting with Tails?

YES. We need more of those cutscenes, if there are any. With only a few characters other than Sonic (if any), I wonder if it will even be applicable.

[EZEKiAL]

Okay, I'm just gonna put what I want, cut and dry, and see what you guys think:

Cast:
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Metal
Dr. R

Cutscenes:
As mentioned before, Sonic 3 style. Ever play New Super Mario Bros. Wii? Exactly like that.

Features:
Super Sonic whenever
Chao Garden
Playable Tails and Knuckles (but not necessary)
Spin Dash, please. Sonic Unleashed had no traces of my most favorite maneuver, and I was upset.

Enemies:
As we've seen so far, those are great.

Boss Fights:
Alright, this the biggie. I'd like a combination of Sonic Unleashed's Daytime boss fights, and Sonic Rush's bosses.
All fights with Dr. Robotnik would be in a set arena, as before.
Fights with Metal Sonic would be high-speed races, where you would either try to reach the goal first or hit him a few times (or both).

Music:
Sonic Unleashed/Sonic Rush

Dialogue:
Subspace Emissary style. Grunts, exclamations, and single-word phrases (Cool! Sweet! All right!)

Design:
Sonic Unleashed, but more surreal, as far as the world goes. Sonic Unleashed for 360 had absolutely beautiful graphics, and I'm sure we'd all love to see a Green Hill Zone where waterfalls and meadows of dancing flowers stretch as far as the eye can see, all while looking like something straight out of Disney
I, personally, like Sonic the way he is.

[YamiLover13]

I agree with the cast though I doubt we will be lucky enough to see Metal Sonic. Possible some random mecha Sonic that dies permanently at the end of the game...but not Metal.

As much as I love the Chao garden...I am not so sure this would be the best game for it...

[EZEKiAL]

I agree with the cast though I doubt we will be lucky enough to see Metal Sonic. Possible some random mecha Sonic that dies permanently at the end of the game...but not Metal.

As much as I love the Chao garden...I am not so sure this would be the best game for it...

Now that I think about it, you're right. It would be a lot harder to collect items for your Chao in a 2-D atmosphere; you also would have a harder time not collecting unwanted items.

[ShadiWulf]

don't freak out at this image lol, it's only Sonic 1 sprites, I don't think it's anything from project needlemouse. I think it's just meant to hype people up.

[EZEKiAL]

LoL, can you imagine that in high-def?

The pixels would be the size of HAMS!

[Mr.Me]

LoL, can you imagine that in high-def?

The pixels would be the size of HAMS!

HAM!!!! WHERE!?!?!?

[EZEKiAL]

I can see it now. You collect hams instead of rings. With 50 hams and the seven legendary Bacon-Wrapped Sausages, you can turn into the mighty Deli Sonic! Shoot bacon-lasers from your eyes! Everything you touch turns to salami!

[viperxmns]

don't freak out at this image lol, it's only Sonic 1 sprites, I don't think it's anything from project needlemouse. I think it's just meant to hype people up.

When was that?
It's back to Unleashed..

New challenge!- http://blogs.sega.co...special-reward/

(I did a quick Buzz Bomber http://i26.photobuck.../buzzbomber.jpg )

[EZEKiAL]

Yours is great. The other fanart coming in...? Not so much...a lot of it looks drawn by 5-7 year olds. -sigh-

I wonder what it's going to be called for real. Sonic the Hegdehog 2?

[iLLViLLAiN]

Wanna know what a crappy Chopper concept art looks like? Well BAM there it is!

http://i76.photobuck...needchopper.png

Whipped that up a few hours ago and posted it on the blog. I can not wait until Monday.

[Noctourne Wonderland]

I can see it now. You collect hams instead of rings. With 50 hams and the seven legendary Bacon-Wrapped Sausages, you can turn into the mighty Deli Sonic! Shoot bacon-lasers from your eyes! Everything you touch turns to salami!

Well, we now know that Sonic's not a Jew.

2.5-D tends to look weird, except for Kirby 64, in my opinion. Your thoughts?

[Mr.Me]

Well, we now know that Sonic's not a Jew.

2.5-D tends to look weird, except for Kirby 64, in my opinion. Your thoughts?

Kirby 64 worked because it clearly showed you where you would go.

[EZEKiAL]

Kirby 64 was GREAT.

And...uh...NiGHTS is 2.5-D too...

[Meggiemaccat]

*prods topic* I should seriously be giving an actual Sonic fan this honor, but... XD

http://blogs.sega.co...ct-needlemouse/

Short Character List is Short.

[iLLViLLAiN]

I like where this is going X)