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As you all know, on a near-daily basis, video games are being fought by politicians, activists, and general no-good people. As all people on this forum are gamers, I think it is high time we showed our support for video gaming and the culture that has surrounded it for decades, as well as the rights we as individuals have to play whatever game we wish to play.
Write up on this thread and tell us why you support gaming, what you think of anti-gamers, and anything related to the protection of games. Any comments are appreciated, just remember, you are among friends. Don't go nuts against someone who doesn't share your opinion, and respect people here. Thanks, and happy posting!
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 11:39 PM
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I think every human being has a right to express their opinion, as long as they aren't trying to go out of their way to bash something.
Video Games, to me, like practically everything, has a grey area. Not ALL games are horrible, and games are not always the problem. *GASP* DOES THIS MEAN... MAYBE IT'S... THE PARENT'S FAULT FOR WHATEVER sh!t THEY LET THEIR CHILD GET INTO? GASP! IT CAN'T be MUM and DAD.
Let me tell ya, there are some pretty twisted games out there that I wouldn't touch. Just not me. I don't touch 'em. I don't think kids should.
Hentai games and sex games like 'Leisure Suit Larry' are just plain old not good ideas to give to anyone under 18-, and I wouldn't recommend handing anyone under 13- Manhunt.
Politicians getting into video game violence (*coughcough* HILLARY *coughcough*) is nothing more and less than attention and hypocritical reasons. Ms. Clinton probably doesn't give a sh!t about video games, but scoring it with the anti-video game peeps, Jack Thompson, and Parents is a nice idea of hers for votes for the primary and '08.
As for our little friend Jack Thompson, he's looking to make a name out of himself. Again, he probably doesn't give a sh!t. If he REALLY did give a sh!t, he'd probably be going after the parents instead of the video games. Trying to SHOOP DA WHOOP with parents, but he's just firing his laser at himself.
Although, to be honest, video games HAVE been proven to change a way a child thinks or acts. But, think about how the kid got the game. THAT'S where the problem and solution lies, not exactly in the game.
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Video Games, to me, like practically everything, has a grey area. Not ALL games are horrible, and games are not always the problem. *GASP* DOES THIS MEAN... MAYBE IT'S... THE PARENT'S FAULT FOR WHATEVER sh!t THEY LET THEIR CHILD GET INTO? GASP! IT CAN'T be MUM and DAD.
Let me tell ya, there are some pretty twisted games out there that I wouldn't touch. Just not me. I don't touch 'em. I don't think kids should.
Hentai games and sex games like 'Leisure Suit Larry' are just plain old not good ideas to give to anyone under 18-, and I wouldn't recommend handing anyone under 13- Manhunt.
Politicians getting into video game violence (*coughcough* HILLARY *coughcough*) is nothing more and less than attention and hypocritical reasons. Ms. Clinton probably doesn't give a sh!t about video games, but scoring it with the anti-video game peeps, Jack Thompson, and Parents is a nice idea of hers for votes for the primary and '08.
As for our little friend Jack Thompson, he's looking to make a name out of himself. Again, he probably doesn't give a sh!t. If he REALLY did give a sh!t, he'd probably be going after the parents instead of the video games. Trying to SHOOP DA WHOOP with parents, but he's just firing his laser at himself.
Although, to be honest, video games HAVE been proven to change a way a child thinks or acts. But, think about how the kid got the game. THAT'S where the problem and solution lies, not exactly in the game.
I'll make stamps and banners for this thread sometime
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 01:03 AM
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People poopoo a lot of what Jack Thompson says (myself included) but these people aren't actually anti-videogames. They're against games that many people DO view as being morally wrong. Ever heard of a game called 'ethnic clensing' ? Go wikipedia or google it if you havn't. it is quite possibly the most horrible videogame I have ever seen in my life.
People have a point when they do speak out about video games, and while I agree that they're pointing the finger too much at them instead of themselves, they've got a lot of valid points. Just like that muslim guy who said that all women who wore skimpy clothing deserved to be raped - if you take his point of view on the matter (and take his religion and morals into account), that claim makes perfect sense, however from our point of view, it's horrifying (it caused a HUGE stir over here last year)
I mean, one thing I really hate is the fact that parents DO let the media in general raise their children instead of damn well doing it themselves. It's not just videogames, movies, tv, hell - have you seen some of the cartoons they're making for kids these days?! or Toys? *Bratz comes to mind riiiight here*
Anyway, I could go on and on and on about this, as it is a passion of mine. But saying 'OMIGAWSH WE NEED TO TAKE A STAND AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NAYSAYERRRRRRS' isn't the right way of doing it. There's plenty of things wrong with the general system society runs on that have lead to this problem of 'video-game inspired violence' (the ratings systems, retailing, parents not doing their job, available firearms, etc) in addition to excessive video game violence so all parties have their own extremely valid points to make.
People have a point when they do speak out about video games, and while I agree that they're pointing the finger too much at them instead of themselves, they've got a lot of valid points. Just like that muslim guy who said that all women who wore skimpy clothing deserved to be raped - if you take his point of view on the matter (and take his religion and morals into account), that claim makes perfect sense, however from our point of view, it's horrifying (it caused a HUGE stir over here last year)
I mean, one thing I really hate is the fact that parents DO let the media in general raise their children instead of damn well doing it themselves. It's not just videogames, movies, tv, hell - have you seen some of the cartoons they're making for kids these days?! or Toys? *Bratz comes to mind riiiight here*
Anyway, I could go on and on and on about this, as it is a passion of mine. But saying 'OMIGAWSH WE NEED TO TAKE A STAND AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NAYSAYERRRRRRS' isn't the right way of doing it. There's plenty of things wrong with the general system society runs on that have lead to this problem of 'video-game inspired violence' (the ratings systems, retailing, parents not doing their job, available firearms, etc) in addition to excessive video game violence so all parties have their own extremely valid points to make.
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Thanks. That will be cool.I'll make stamps and banners for this thread sometime
Anyway, I'm not saying that we should go crazy about all this anti-gaming stuff, and I do agree that some games are over the top, but I really think its is a serious matter. I don't want anyone telling me what I can and can't play.
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 02:15 AM
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*dead legs anti-gaming people and runs away laughing*
hee hee hee, so cruel...
hee hee hee, so cruel...
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 04:32 AM
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*anti-gaming people chase, and get attacked by Keebler Elves...... Then run away laughing.**dead legs anti-gaming people and runs away laughing*
hee hee hee, so cruel...
Evil Keebler Elves, so dangerous and cruel.
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 09:02 PM
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see, that's why i said dead leg them because when you dead leg someone, they aren't going to be running any time soon.
what up with the elves?
what up with the elves?
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 09:29 PM
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People poopoo a lot of what Jack Thompson says (myself included) but these people aren't actually anti-videogames. They're against games that many people DO view as being morally wrong. Ever heard of a game called 'ethnic clensing' ? Go wikipedia or google it if you havn't. it is quite possibly the most horrible videogame I have ever seen in my life.
I couldn't agree with you anymore.
That game 'Ethnic Cleansing'... good Lord. I'm surprised that companies even GET AWAY with PUBLISHING that.
'Postal 1' and 'Postal 2' both have given me the jeebes. Hearing people go "*coughcough* I can't breathe!" while they're dying isn't exactly something plesent. It would've been nice, if the game was centered around the horrors of war, or in a drama, not in a game all about killing people for fun.
I feel there's sometimes, when, it's not the video games fault, but there's some cases where it's just plain wrong to even let the game go past ideas in one's head.
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Posted 17 September 2007 - 12:09 AM
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If anyone says I shouldn't play this game or that game, I'm like "Screw you, I'm gonna go play my game. Go away."
"Hey, if you play that, you'll shoot up the school."
"No, shut up."
"Hey, if you play that, you'll shoot up the school."
"No, shut up."
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Posted 17 September 2007 - 12:27 AM
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I'm actually more worried about the people who play Dungeons and Dragons. They don't go outside and get any fresh air, and the lack of oxygen messes with their heads. 
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Posted 17 September 2007 - 04:05 AM
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*hides*I'm actually more worried about the people who play Dungeons and Dragons. They don't go outside and get any fresh air, and the lack of oxygen messes with their heads.
I kid...but D&D isn't as bad as you say. lol
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Posted 17 September 2007 - 04:13 AM
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People need to start looking at games the same way they look at other mediums, like film and television. It's okay for a kid to watch real people murdering each other on primetime broadcast tv, but god forbid he play a game featured animated people doing the same...yeah that makes sense.
We have the same type of rating system on games as we do on movies and television, and most places DO follow guidelines and won't sell games to people too young for the rating, so I don't see the problem. When it breaks down, the only people to blame are the parents. There's absolutely no need to get the government involved with games any more than they already are.
We have the same type of rating system on games as we do on movies and television, and most places DO follow guidelines and won't sell games to people too young for the rating, so I don't see the problem. When it breaks down, the only people to blame are the parents. There's absolutely no need to get the government involved with games any more than they already are.
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You speak such sense. I was just thinking that too as I was looking over the other posts.People need to start looking at games the same way they look at other mediums, like film and television. It's okay for a kid to watch real people murdering each other on primetime broadcast tv, but god forbid he play a game featured animated people doing the same...yeah that makes sense.
We have the same type of rating system on games as we do on movies and television, and most places DO follow guidelines and won't sell games to people too young for the rating, so I don't see the problem. When it breaks down, the only people to blame are the parents. There's absolutely no need to get the government involved with games any more than they already are.
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Posted 18 September 2007 - 05:55 AM
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Video Game Issue (The condensed version)
-Parents don't spend time with little Johnny.
-Parents don't teach little Johnny the difference between fantasy and reality or morals
-Parents leave little Johnny to play his video games and watch his TV.
-Parents buy little Johnny that game he wants so much and throws a fit over getting... without checking the rating or the game summary.
-Parents find little Johnny playing his video game and throw a fit over all the inappropriate material in it.
Okay, this does not take a genius to figure out people... What just happened in this scenario?
-Parents don't spend time with little Johnny.
-Parents don't teach little Johnny the difference between fantasy and reality or morals
-Parents leave little Johnny to play his video games and watch his TV.
-Parents buy little Johnny that game he wants so much and throws a fit over getting... without checking the rating or the game summary.
-Parents find little Johnny playing his video game and throw a fit over all the inappropriate material in it.
Okay, this does not take a genius to figure out people... What just happened in this scenario?
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Posted 18 September 2007 - 06:46 AM
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It really boils down to responsibility. Its not responsible for a parent to dump the issue and say the government should regulate it, but it is responsible for a parent to monitor the content that the child plays with, and make accurate judgements based on the information gathered. Perhaps, if a child is mature enough to handle greater and greater maturity in games, then the parent can recognize that and choose a suitable course of action.
Also, something that might help avert any problems that may or may not be caused by gaming is if the parents participate. You hear me, parents? Sit down, maybe just for a few minutes a day, and play some games with your child. Trust me, it could make all the difference in the world if you take the time to be in the company of your kid.
Also, something that might help avert any problems that may or may not be caused by gaming is if the parents participate. You hear me, parents? Sit down, maybe just for a few minutes a day, and play some games with your child. Trust me, it could make all the difference in the world if you take the time to be in the company of your kid.
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Posted 18 September 2007 - 07:29 AM
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Arrg...
Why didn't I see this thread sooner?
Most my thoughts on this reflects many of what others have already said however, I must say that MidgitLD pretty much got closest to my original thoughts.
You see in America things aren't as strict.
In fact if a kid as young as 10 decides to buy a rated mature game no one will usually stop him unless his parents does.
Another problem is that parents don't look for the rating on a game or rather the art on front of the package instead. (This has happened a lot for games like CBFD.)
Video games have actually been the scrapegoat for things it was never apart of in the first place.
For example: The Virginia Tech shooting was almost blamed on video games.
And another example: An old friend of mine said that when she does something that the school doesn't like she just blames it on video games. "Its like a get out of jail free card." (Middle school like when I was about 13.)
Its the mentality of the player that is needed to be worried about.
I mean would you let a mentally insane person play with a gun?
Yeah... danger waiting to happen...
If anything I do want to empathize one a current issue that people are telling others to either grow a back bone, that it builds on ones character, or something to ignore.
Bulling is something that will cause a person to crack.
Even more so if unstable.
Now bulling doesn't just happen outside but inside the home as well.
Just think of this way:
At school you are pressured and bullied because of your thoughts, beliefs, ideas, the way your dress, ect. ect.
It can be very much the same at home. (Stressing to get good grades, Mom or Dad constantly getting at you for something, ect. ect.)
Now think about all this stress being put on you every single day of the week, month, year.
A constant never ending stream of stress.
Eventually the person will become filled with anxiety and depression and isolate them self from others.
Of course this would lead to become more of "target" which leads to even more stress.
If the stress can not be managed then more "mental" problems pop up.
Mind you stress more than likely follow into mental problems like schizophrenia, DID (Multiple personality syndrome), delusion, and many other problems if not managed well.
For me I have problems with stress. (Bad enough that I actually had kinda exploded for a little while towards the end of high school. Ended up having schizophrenia for a short time which the psychologist figured it was caused from stress on my last year. Easily worked around because of anti-depression drugs and mind you I don't like drugs much so I wasn't too shortly that I was off of them and ready to work again.)
But you see if you have everyone else's emotions dumped on you all day and every day I assure you its hard to concentrates on what is needed to done.
There will be at least one person that wont be able to manage stress as well as the next and that constant teasing will lead from one thing to the next.
If it continues where will the next school shooting be?
(Sorry if this seems a bit off topic and unusually long, I just feel the two things go hand in hand really.)
Why didn't I see this thread sooner?
Video Game Issue (The condensed version)
-Parents don't spend time with little Johnny.
-Parents don't teach little Johnny the difference between fantasy and reality or morals
-Parents leave little Johnny to play his video games and watch his TV.
-Parents buy little Johnny that game he wants so much and throws a fit over getting... without checking the rating or the game summary.
-Parents find little Johnny playing his video game and throw a fit over all the inappropriate material in it.
Okay, this does not take a genius to figure out people... What just happened in this scenario?
Most my thoughts on this reflects many of what others have already said however, I must say that MidgitLD pretty much got closest to my original thoughts.
You see in America things aren't as strict.
In fact if a kid as young as 10 decides to buy a rated mature game no one will usually stop him unless his parents does.
Another problem is that parents don't look for the rating on a game or rather the art on front of the package instead. (This has happened a lot for games like CBFD.)
Video games have actually been the scrapegoat for things it was never apart of in the first place.
For example: The Virginia Tech shooting was almost blamed on video games.
And another example: An old friend of mine said that when she does something that the school doesn't like she just blames it on video games. "Its like a get out of jail free card." (Middle school like when I was about 13.)
Its the mentality of the player that is needed to be worried about.
I mean would you let a mentally insane person play with a gun?
Yeah... danger waiting to happen...
If anything I do want to empathize one a current issue that people are telling others to either grow a back bone, that it builds on ones character, or something to ignore.
Bulling is something that will cause a person to crack.
Even more so if unstable.
Now bulling doesn't just happen outside but inside the home as well.
Just think of this way:
At school you are pressured and bullied because of your thoughts, beliefs, ideas, the way your dress, ect. ect.
It can be very much the same at home. (Stressing to get good grades, Mom or Dad constantly getting at you for something, ect. ect.)
Now think about all this stress being put on you every single day of the week, month, year.
A constant never ending stream of stress.
Eventually the person will become filled with anxiety and depression and isolate them self from others.
Of course this would lead to become more of "target" which leads to even more stress.
If the stress can not be managed then more "mental" problems pop up.
Mind you stress more than likely follow into mental problems like schizophrenia, DID (Multiple personality syndrome), delusion, and many other problems if not managed well.
For me I have problems with stress. (Bad enough that I actually had kinda exploded for a little while towards the end of high school. Ended up having schizophrenia for a short time which the psychologist figured it was caused from stress on my last year. Easily worked around because of anti-depression drugs and mind you I don't like drugs much so I wasn't too shortly that I was off of them and ready to work again.)
But you see if you have everyone else's emotions dumped on you all day and every day I assure you its hard to concentrates on what is needed to done.
There will be at least one person that wont be able to manage stress as well as the next and that constant teasing will lead from one thing to the next.
If it continues where will the next school shooting be?
(Sorry if this seems a bit off topic and unusually long, I just feel the two things go hand in hand really.)
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 03:57 PM
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Ekairi got it right on the bullseye. I have OCD, and it started to show up after I broke down from stress from my parents (almost aways our mum) constantly yelling at our family. For the longest time I suffered from stress, and even emotional breakdowns. For someone who has OCD, games can sometimes blur reality and fantasy; killing seems like it's harmless.
It's wrong to go blame one person for what happens when something is wrong, whether school shootings or something like day-to-day problems. You can't blame the developers for making the game; they're just making goods for consumers. Nor can you blame the developers of the system; they have even less to do with it. You can't blame the parents either; they might not always be able to see what their kids are doing. Maybe they're playing these games at a friend's house, and, honestly, a parent is not going to get some sense that says "Oh no. Little Timmy is playing Grand Theft Auto at his friend's house; GOTTA PARENT!". It just doesn't happen. Sometimes teens pirate games; how is the parent going to know if their child pirated the game if they have it concealed on their computer somewhere? Yes, in America... some parents aren't always parents, but then again parents can't always be snooping over their kid 100% of the time. Most of the cases, the parents should've been there (and, fyi, most of the cases there was something up with the parents, if you know what I mean. Divorce and cheating. A few cases, the child was with a guardian. Not a parent. ), but never were. Think about it anyway. There's 1,000,000s of copies of GTA sold. I'd say about 50% of the userbase is people under 18. I don't see 500,000 shootings happen daily over the year due to Grand Theft Auto. I downloaded GTA1 and 2 (it's free now), and I'm not running around shooting everyone 5ft in-front of me :|.
You can't blame the game either; if the kid has a mental disease, the game might be encouraging it. And let me tell you, even if the game encourages it, it's not going to be the only factor. Look at Virginia Tech. Look at Columbine. Look at nearly every school shooting. What's the reason for it? It's almost always stress; they just breakdown and decide to end it all and take a few with them. The most reason one I heard of... it was something about an atheist who got up and shot random people in his school's auditorium because no one 'understood him'. Something like that. It's many different reasons why someone does the things they do; video games only play a fraction of the role.
On the over side, though, some games are just too inhumane. Search up 'Postal' and 'Postal 2' on wikipedia. That game has honest-to-God been banned in New Zealand and other countries.
On a final-note, although it isn't entirely the same thing as the case with video games, here's a good point an editor at the now-defunct OPM made.:
"[US] Football players are taught to tackle and shove their arms into the opposing players' faces, yet they don't randomly walk on the sidewalk and do the same thing to random people. It just doesn't happen."
Ekairi got it right on the bullseye. I have OCD, and it started to show up after I broke down from stress from my parents (almost aways our mum) constantly yelling at our family. For the longest time I suffered from stress, and even emotional breakdowns. For someone who has OCD, games can sometimes blur reality and fantasy; killing seems like it's harmless.
It's wrong to go blame one person for what happens when something is wrong, whether school shootings or something like day-to-day problems. You can't blame the developers for making the game; they're just making goods for consumers. Nor can you blame the developers of the system; they have even less to do with it. You can't blame the parents either; they might not always be able to see what their kids are doing. Maybe they're playing these games at a friend's house, and, honestly, a parent is not going to get some sense that says "Oh no. Little Timmy is playing Grand Theft Auto at his friend's house; GOTTA PARENT!". It just doesn't happen. Sometimes teens pirate games; how is the parent going to know if their child pirated the game if they have it concealed on their computer somewhere? Yes, in America... some parents aren't always parents, but then again parents can't always be snooping over their kid 100% of the time. Most of the cases, the parents should've been there (and, fyi, most of the cases there was something up with the parents, if you know what I mean. Divorce and cheating. A few cases, the child was with a guardian. Not a parent. ), but never were. Think about it anyway. There's 1,000,000s of copies of GTA sold. I'd say about 50% of the userbase is people under 18. I don't see 500,000 shootings happen daily over the year due to Grand Theft Auto. I downloaded GTA1 and 2 (it's free now), and I'm not running around shooting everyone 5ft in-front of me :|.
You can't blame the game either; if the kid has a mental disease, the game might be encouraging it. And let me tell you, even if the game encourages it, it's not going to be the only factor. Look at Virginia Tech. Look at Columbine. Look at nearly every school shooting. What's the reason for it? It's almost always stress; they just breakdown and decide to end it all and take a few with them. The most reason one I heard of... it was something about an atheist who got up and shot random people in his school's auditorium because no one 'understood him'. Something like that. It's many different reasons why someone does the things they do; video games only play a fraction of the role.
On the over side, though, some games are just too inhumane. Search up 'Postal' and 'Postal 2' on wikipedia. That game has honest-to-God been banned in New Zealand and other countries.
On a final-note, although it isn't entirely the same thing as the case with video games, here's a good point an editor at the now-defunct OPM made.:
"[US] Football players are taught to tackle and shove their arms into the opposing players' faces, yet they don't randomly walk on the sidewalk and do the same thing to random people. It just doesn't happen."
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 01:27 AM
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this reminds me of when I was showing my grandma 'Legend of Zelda:Phantom Hourglass.' I had to get rid of some skeletons to complete a goal and my grandma protested saying "don't kill the skeletons!" and then, half a month later I got her hooked on Wii sports....
also, studys have proven that video games do let kids help there emotinal stuggles. lord knows they helped me.
also, studys have proven that video games do let kids help there emotinal stuggles. lord knows they helped me.
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Oh God I actually got my mother to play Wii Bowling with me once. I think she bowled a 131 or something. I bowled a 283, the best I've ever done in game or in reality. Mom's my good luck charm. I make her stay in the room whenever I Wii Bowl now. 
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whenever my sister and I play baseball, my dad lounges in the armchair saying "This is the only way to watch a baseball game"Oh God I actually got my mother to play Wii Bowling with me once. I think she bowled a 131 or something. I bowled a 283, the best I've ever done in game or in reality. Mom's my good luck charm. I make her stay in the room whenever I Wii Bowl now.
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