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[LUCiD]

I was just playing Sonic 06 earlier, and started wondering- if Silver and Blaze still appear in games despite the low reviews of 06, than maybe Mephiles might make a return as well. I don't care if it wouldn't make sense on how Sega makes him return- he's a pretty good villain, (although I make him misunderstood in my fanfictions,) and, if you ask me, he deserves to make an appearance. He does, after all, have a pretty good-sized fanbase. Thoughts?

[Key-Chan]

I kinda also think Mephiles should be brought back, he did make a decent villan and Dan Green did such a great job as him. but in doing so it would be pretty tough for his return though because at the second to last scene in 06' when Elies blows out Solaris's flame things go on as if the past events never happened...so then what? If they try to say "Oh Mephiles is a powerful being he survived the past events and floating somewhere in the dimensional crossroads with a non-whiped memory." sorta won't do it.

[LUCiD]

Maybe it could be something along the lines of this: Mephiles knew that he would get locked up in the sceptor, so he was slowly harnessing his powers inside the sceptor and eventually breaks the sceptor so that he can never- EVER get tapped inside again. (I haven't finished the game yet, so I don't know if there's a problem with this idea or not.)

[JaxTH]

Maybe it could be something along the lines of this: Mephiles knew that he would get locked up in the sceptor, so he was slowly harnessing his powers inside the sceptor and eventually breaks the sceptor so that he can never- EVER get tapped inside again. (I haven't finished the game yet, so I don't know if there's a problem with this idea or not.)

Do you know the entire plot to '06?

If not...Then you'll find out why Mephiles can't ever come back.

Also I'm pretty sure there are two Mephiles' in '06.

[Zero-Shift]

I think Mephiles was a crappy villain and an incredibly obvious plot device to move along that game's atrocious story. I'm not even 100% certain why he was doing what he was to begin with. I'm not aware of any significant fanbase for the guy but I honestly hope to never see him again. Besides, aren't there enough hedgehogs as is?

[TRiPPY]

Can somebody explain in short to me what he's all about because I've not played 06 and though he was some evil(er) version of Shadow or something... without a nose. Excuse my ignorance XD;

[Zero-Shift]

Can somebody explain in short to me what he's all about because I've not played 06 and though he was some evil(er) version of Shadow or something... without a nose. Excuse my ignorance XD;

SPOILERS

Mephiles is half of this god called Solaris. In the past the Solarian people did some experiments on this god (which eventually turns out to be the flame on a f*!*ing candle by the way) which went awry and broke the god in two. Mephiles is the mind I think and Iblis is the power. I don't really care. Anyway, throughout the whole game Mephiles is just an all around jerk trying to get the Chaos Emeralds and Make Princess Elise cry so Iblis is released (don't ask) and he can become whole again and destroy space time itself. There is also time traveling and load screens.

Unfortunately it's never elaborated why he does what he does. None of it, like why he wants to destroy time or why he just didn't do it before the experiment or why the experiment failed or why it split him in half or even what it was trying to accomplish to begin with (to make him a battery?) or even why these people worship the damn thing if it's so malevolent or why they'd experiment on their god or why da da da da da da mahogany!

Sonic 06's story literally infuriated me with how incredibly bad it was. Sure, Shadow wasn't emo any more, but at what cost? Mephiles gets a lot of flak from me because as far as I'm concerned his backstory is over half the plot. The best thing I can say about him is his theme songs are okay.

[DiGi Valentine]

Nope. Not a fan of Mephiles. He's does nothing for me. He looks like Shadow, who is another character i really think we could have less of but i'm letting him slide so that's saying a lot for my stance on Mephiles.

Also, the way you pronounce his name is terrible. It sounds like a sexually transmitted disease. It's horrible.

[EZEKiAL]

Sonic 06 is an atrocity. I can't believe there are actually fans of any of the characters introduced in that game, besides Silver. Seriously, Mephiles is Sonic's attempt at Ganondorf, and that's NO THANKS. I also agree entirely with everything Zero-Shift said.

EDIT: Hahaha!

Elliot: Hey, Claris, what's the matter?

Claris: I've got...THE MEPHILES!

Elliot: -vomit-

[LUCiD]

Look, it's just my opinion, your opinion is not God, now if you don't like what I have to say, don't bother posting here- 'kay EZEKiAL?

[DiGi Valentine]

Lol, now now. There's no need to get into a huff about it. Some people like the character, some don't. Ain't that life?
Though i'm finding it difficult to understand why Mephiles is liked at all so do tell us why he appeals to you. I'm interested to know what people see in him.

And i do have to say, i don't actually mind Silver. I do believe he could have been developed better a little but there's some potential there. I also think his prototype name 'Venice' suited him better too. But then again, this topic isn't about Silver so i'll stop side-tracking.

[LUCiD]

I know, I just got upset over the way he said it, is all. (I have a lot of stress going on offline, is all, plus I'm sick.)
Also, I basically took it as that he thought it was stupid to like the game.

[DiGi Valentine]

Well, the game was panned a failure and usually when someone likes something that fails that much it gets questioned as to why you would like something like that. I'm trying to think of an example ....it's like the Street Fighter Movie. Everybody hates it. So if someone is to come along and say they liked it everybody elses natural instinct is to say "wtf? why???". It doesn't mean they're calling you an idiot, they just can't understand why you would like it.

Everybody has their own tastes. I'm sure 90% of the wankers that voted for Prince of Persia to beat NiGHTS in their crappy competition is just another example of people telling you that what you like SUCKZ all because they can't understand your logic. Hello, World.

But, go on. Tell us why Mephiles is a good character. We should at least try to keep this topic on topic.

[Dex la Cabra]

dudes and dudette's, he's fictional, havin such disgust for something fictional confuses me! i have a respect for Mephiles for the reason that he is the only being in the universe who has actually managed to kill sonic the hedgehog. eggman's been trying for years and failed (unless you get a game over i suppose ) and once solaris it took 3 super beings to kill him off. perhaps a tad over-powered, but i like that the challenges clearly get harder and harder (SA1- 1 super, SA2- 2 supers, this, 3 supers!) and yet they beat them. that shows character development to me, and i like that a plot device maybe, but isn't everyone in everything fictional exactly that, a plot device?

[TRiPPY]

isn't everyone in everything fictional exactly that, a plot device

Lol I know fictional people who would have you hanged for that XD

[Dex la Cabra]

Lol I know fictional people who would have you hanged for that XD

what are they gonna do, they're fictional! admittedly, some fictional characters take on their own lives in your head and become more people than plot device.

[JaxTH]

Mephiles is like...The best Sonic villain ever.

Still...There HAD to be two Mephiles' in the game or it doesn't make much sense plot wise.

[EZEKiAL]

Exactly as Digi said, I don't understand why you like him. I'm not trying to say your opinion is wrong, or that mine is "God" (wut?), I'm saying I don't agree. I'm certainly sorry that I offended you, but in my eyes, Sonic 06 COULD'VE been a great game, and Mephiles COULD'VE been a character I enjoyed, but it and he weren't. Tough beans. But I would enjoy hearing why you like him so much.

[Zero-Shift]

but isn't everyone in everything fictional exactly that, a plot device?

Actually no. A plot device exists only for the purpose of advancing the plot and it's not terribly common for characters to be complete and utter plot devices since they often have other traits which contribute more to the narrative than just getting from point A to point B. Mephiles I would say is almost entirely a plot device since he doesn't develop as a character and his motivation is poorly defined as well as a few other little reasons.

Everybody has their own tastes. I'm sure 90% of the wankers that voted for Prince of Persia to beat NiGHTS ...

[Dex la Cabra]

Actually no. A plot device exists only for the purpose of advancing the plot and it's not terribly common for characters to be complete and utter plot devices since they often have other traits which contribute more to the narrative than just getting from point A to point B. Mephiles I would say is almost entirely a plot device since he doesn't develop as a character and his motivation is poorly defined as well as a few other little reasons.

alright mister proved me wrong! and DiGi is a NiGHTS fan to the core, but i'm sure you're not included in that although sayin that, i dont know what DiGi's thinkin, i'm just tryin to ease a little tension!

[DiGi Valentine]

Alright, fine! -

- 89% of the wankers from GameSpot.

- Mephiles has potential, if you're interested in that sort of thing.

- plot devices are over-rated and we should all head back to the stone age.

Now go to sleep, the lot of you.

[Zero-Shift]

Now go to sleep, the lot of you.

But it's only 6 pm here.

I still think the best Sonic villain was Robotnik from the SatAM cartoon.

[EZEKiAL]

But it's only 6 pm here.

I still think the best Sonic villain was Robotnik from the SatAM cartoon.

I like Sonic Unleashed's take on Robotnik. Evil, but still bumbling. I'd like to see a little less bumble, little more evil.

...if you're into that sort of thing.

ANYWAY, back on topic, I would've appreciated Mephiles a bit more if he wasn't like "I'm gon' PWN Sonic nao" and then it just happens. Worse things have happened to Sonic than being stabbed with a kamehameha.

[LUCiD]

Actually, I don't like the game as much as I like the character, and I kinda agree, if he wasn't all "Kill Sonic!", than he would be my favorite Sonic villain, but until he gets a little more character development, that position is going to be held by Metal Sonic, who, in my opinion, could pwn Sonic if he wanted to. *Shot*.

[EZEKiAL]

Actually, I don't like the game as much as I like the character, and I kinda agree, if he wasn't all "Kill Sonic!", than he would be my favorite Sonic villain, but until he gets a little more character development, that position is going to be held by Metal Sonic, who, in my opinion, could pwn Sonic if he wanted to. *Shot*.

-hug- I LOVE YOU. Metal is my favorite villain. Unfortunately for you, though, there's a very tiny chance Mephiles is coming back. His appearance is really only relevant in that one game, one that's known for being a massive burrito of PHAIL. Plus, he was killed at the end, but then again, so was Shadow at the end of SA2.

That game had such a beautiful ending. It really made me respect Shadow as a character, just like all the actual characters in the game. Shadow died for what he believed was right. But then Sonic Heroes came and I was like "WHO IS THIS EMOHOG AND WHY IS HE NOT DEAD!?"

[LUCiD]

I was actually happy that Shadow returned, basically because I never finished the game and I had not idea that he was dead until I saw Sonic X. Also, FINALLY ANOTHER METAL SONIC FAN! Sorry, it's just that all I hear is that "Metal Sonic is just a mindless mecha," and other stuff like that. (Also, mecha's are AWESOME!!!)

[Dex la Cabra]

the overall best villain in sonic history, who could beat pefect chaos, final hazard, solaris, metal madness and al the other final bosses is....AOSTH robotnik! his pingas would just wipe out all of them. no question. except mephiles, because he's the subject of the topic. but yes. he will rule supreme.

who designed mephiles, does anyone know? i like the idea of something possessing someones shadow and taking their form

[TORiAS_the_fallen]

the overall best villain in sonic history, who could beat pefect chaos, final hazard, solaris, metal madness and al the other final bosses is....AOSTH robotnik! his pingas would just wipe out all of them. no question. except mephiles, because he's the subject of the topic. but yes. he will rule supreme.

Amen!

[phosphorus]

So, Mephiles had the whole misdirection thing going pretty well for him, and he had the imposing nature well in hand, but as Zero Shift said, he had no apparent motivation for doing so. That seemed to be a prevalent problem among the characters in 06. There's also the problem of him being a recolor of a recolor of a recolor. I give him one huffing Mario out of 5.



I think he's best remembered as a resource for funny videos. That goes for the whole game, actually.

the overall best villain in sonic history, who could beat pefect chaos, final hazard, solaris, metal madness and al the other final bosses is....AOSTH robotnik! his pingas would just wipe out all of them. no question. except mephiles, because he's the subject of the topic. but yes. he will rule supreme.

Ah! He's have to give himself a promotion!

[Dex la Cabra]

Ah! He's have to give himself a promotion!

possibly the best scientific mind, and downright sexy beast mankind has ever seen! it's the ginger moustache that does it for me!

does mephiles get much screen time on the game? i honestly cant remember anymore! what i do remember is that he is highly successful in freakin me out by becoming shadow's shadow when you fight him i remember jumping all the time just so he wouldn't be right under me

[Noctourne Wonderland]

does mephiles get much screen time on the game? i honestly cant remember anymore! what i do remember is that he is highly successful in freakin me out by becoming shadow's shadow when you fight him i remember jumping all the time just so he wouldn't be right under me

It all makes sense now! Mephiles is Midna's creepy brother!

[EZEKiAL]

It all makes sense now! Mephiles is Minda's creepy brother!

I love me some Midna.

[Zero-Shift]

Silver fails at Falcon Punch.

[JaxTH]

Shadow excels at the "boot to the head" move.

[InTheNightlight]

Mephy in a new game?

Let me offer this a rebuttle: OMFG THA'D BE SHO COOLZ! *fanboy seizure*

Mephiles is the most epic villain of all time right up there with Sephiroth and Ganondorf.

...*translated from Latin* Burning indside with violent anger
Burning inside with violent anger
MEPHILES!
...
MEPHILES!

...Oh, come on, tell me Mephy wouldn't be cool with a Sephiroth-esque theme!

EDIT: I looked back on this thread and saw someone ask, "What do we see in him?". What DON'T we see in him?

One, Eggman has been trying for years to kill Sonic(storyline-wise I don't thing game overs count here), but it only took Mephiles a select few DAYS.
Two, the backstory and character build-up makes a lot of sense, seeing as how Mephy and Iblis are a god split in half. Sure, SEGA never specified the whole 'World Domination' thing, then again, they never really explain most things, am I right? (example: Is Blaze a princess or from the future?)
Three, while he may be a recolor, his design as 'the sludge' as I call him, and Crystal Mephy were pretty original.
Four, he's the Ganondorf of Sonic. And who doesn't like Ganondorf?
Five, his was probably the only good voice in the game.

The list goes on. A few things that's been buggin' me though...

The only way to successfully rebond with Iblis is by making a girl cry? And(off-topicly) the only way to revive Sonic is by showing the fans a horrible, vomit-inducing, cheap, cheesy, bestiality scene?! Honestly, those parts of the whole, 'Mephiles' story are a real bugger.

[Mr.Me]

you never know who will return in games these days, i mean, look at how many times Ridley has come back.
Metroid: Ridley chronicals
Enemies: Ridley
Bosses: Ridley
normal amount of enemies in room: 7

[Noctourne Wonderland]

you never know who will return in games these days, i mean, look at how many times Ridley has come back.
Metroid: Ridley chronicals
Enemies: Ridley
Bosses: Ridley
normal amount of enemies in room: 7

This is kind of off topic, but is Ridley the alien named for Ridley Scott, the "Alien" director?

[WATERLiLYCAT]

To each his own; If you don't like something don't start making attacks, and vice-versa if you do like the subject at hand.

'Cept for Metal Sonic. Or Jim Cummings!Robotnik. Anyone who doesn't like these two is an idiot, and I'll verbally attack them over it because their opinions don't matter (=

I like Mephiles myself. I'm not sure why; Probably just reminds me of the stories of shadow creatures from my youth, and his general 'vibe' sounds like something that'd fit in well with the old SatAM-verse I also grew up with if written well enough. He had potential, and while cool in the game, probably didn't reach it. But that's cool with me. I was a POOR KID and had limited knowledge of the Sonic-verse for years so I just patched it all with my own ideas, which is half the fun. I'd like to see Mephiles as a reference in something, or maybe unlockable, but I wouldn't trust SEGA to put him in another story and not totally screw it up. I'm happy with the fan interpretations, if they're written well enough (*Cough* NETRAPTOR *Cough*)

So I think Mephiles is cool, but he's always gonna be second fiddle to Metal Sonic and SatAM Robotnik to me <3

(STD Mephiles? Haha, that's hilarious. I guess it's good I've always pronounced it 'Meff-Aisles')