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Ending of NiGHTS JOD


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We all know that the game ended with NiGHTS still alive and with nightopia saved but whatever happened to

1)Wizeman( He disappeared after the final battle...My guess is that he is dead)
2)Reala( After his battle with NiGHTS he just disappeared at Bellbridge)
3)Owl (He was gone by the neon battle mission and the sky concert mission...after that he was never heard from again)

What are your thoughts on there disappearances????

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1.) Wizeman said that he cannot die as long as there is fear in the world. I assume the world in which NiGHTS takes place is reality, so of course someone is going to be afraid of something at some point. Once there's fear, poof! Instant Wizey.

2.) Since NiGHTS died along with Wizeman, Reala must have died as well. However, one could assume that Wizeman's revival also brought NiGHTS and Reala back to life; hence the appearence in Bellbridge.

3.) I think Owl just went off to play with Nightopians and their bubbles once he was no longer needed. If Nightopia was destroyed by Wizeman, it's possible that he died. Nightopia, though, would logically act like an inverse of Nightmare, and regenerate when there is happiness. If Nightopia exsists, Nightopians exsist, and Owl seems to be a Nightopian.

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We've already had discussions about that...
About Wizeman, NiGHTS and Reala
About Owl

Here's what I said about Wizeman and Reala:

Now, is Wizeman dead? I have several theories.

1) Yes, they killed him and he's gone for good. If you only take the true ending into account, he said nothing about being immortal.

2) Since Wizeman's speech about being immortal only appeared in the "false" ending, I think that "darkness in the heart of humans" means "missing Ideya". Makes sense as the Ideya are made of light. So, Wizeman will come back as long as they don't have all of their Ideya.
Will and Helen both had all of their Ideya in the true ending, so they destroyed him (and everything he created). But, they only destroyed him in their dreams. Which means Wizeman may still appear in the dreams (or rather, nightmares) of everyone else. Will and Helen will never have nightmares again, but everyone else may until they retrieve all of their Ideya.

3) Wizeman said he couldn't be destroyed "as long as darkness exist in the heart of humans". Which is always the case. But he was defeated. So I think he was temporarily destroyed, but he will come back eventually. Perhaps he will be slowly regenerated by the darkness in people's hearts, or something like that. But when he will be fully regenerated, he will have to recreate everything again, nightmares and nightmarens. NiGHTS will not come back.

I think he [Reala] was knocked unconscious at the end of the fight. Maybe temporarily unconscious, but long enough to reach the ground. Which means he fell from... more than 300 m. Either he died crashing on the ground, or he laid unconscious until Wizeman was destroyed (destroying him as well).


Now, about Owl:

3)Owl (He was gone by the neon battle mission and the sky concert mission...after that he was never heard from again)

Actually, you see Owl again after that. After you beat Cerberus / Queen Bella (hard version), stairs appear in the Dream Gate, and when you go near them, Owl appears and tells you "Oh ho hoo! It has been many thousands of years since the stairs on this hill have appeared!". That's the last time you see him.

I agree with Noctourne about Owl being in Nightopia and playing with the 'pians. Owl is always either in Nightopia or in the Dream Gate. And if he was in the Dream Gate when Wizeman appeared there, he probably teleported himself to Nightopia when Wizeman destroyed it.


We all know that the game ended with NiGHTS still alive

Er, not really :). Did you see the final ending?

If Nightopia was destroyed by Wizeman, it's possible that he died. Nightopia, though, would logically act like an inverse of Nightmare, and regenerate when there is happiness. If Nightopia exsists, Nightopians exsist, and Owl seems to be a Nightopian.

Owl, a Nightopian? He looks nothing like them. Unless by "Nightopian" you mean just "inhabitant of Nightopia"...

Nightopia, though, is not really like Nightmare. Nightopia is created by Ideya, while Nightmare is created by Wizeman. To destroy Nightmare, you have to destroy Wizeman; to destroy a Visitor's Nightopia, you have to take all of that Visitor's Ideya... (and Wizeman never did that, so Nightopia wasn't destroyed, by the way).

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Er, not really :(. Did you see the final ending?

Wasn't he on top of the clock tower?

Owl, a Nightopian? He looks nothing like them. Unless by "Nightopian" you mean just "inhabitant of Nightopia"...

I do! He's definately not a floaty baby angel thing. :P

Nightopia, though, is not really like Nightmare. Nightopia is created by Ideya, while Nightmare is created by Wizeman. To destroy Nightmare, you have to destroy Wizeman; to destroy a Visitor's Nightopia, you have to take all of that Visitor's Ideya... (and Wizeman never did that, so Nightopia wasn't destroyed, by the way).

The Dream Gate seemed to collapse when Wizey appeared, so it seemed to be destroyed. Techincally, it's not Nightopia (It's dream purgatory), so I should have phrased my post better.

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Wasn't he on top of the clock tower?

Yes, but that doesn't really mean he's still alive. The scenes before and after the Wizeman fight made it pretty clear that NiGHTS died.
I interpreted NiGHTS on the clock tower as symbolic, a metaphor for something like "NiGHTS will always be with you", because that's the only thing that seems to make any sense to me; even if NiGHTS was still alive, he has nothing to do in the real world.

The Dream Gate seemed to collapse when Wizey appeared, so it seemed to be destroyed. Techincally, it's not Nightopia (It's dream purgatory), so I should have phrased my post better.

Yes, the Dream Gate was destroyed, and it is not Nightopia. Though now I wonder, can the Dream Gate be restored? And how are they going to access Nightopia now, since the Doors to Nightopia were in the Dream Gate?

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I think Owl went to hide cause he is a coward, and Reala perhaps he was locked away some where. I had a dream where Reala had a Casino. lol

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What I want to know is what happened to the parents during the ending scene when the two kids meet each other in the real world. Haha they must have just walked away :blink:

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I think that all the different endings complement each other.
In my opinion, Wizeman(together with NiGHTS and Reala) was 'killed', but returned some time later due to his immortality(automatically bringing back everything connected-to/created-by him).
This is why we see NiGHTS alive in the end.

It wouldn't make sense for SEGA to give an important information like that(about Wizeman's nature/immortality) just to brush it off as "fake" due to not being mentioned in the other ending.
Even because this "true" ending shows NiGHTS alive moments after she 'died', something that doesn't make sense IF we ignore Wizeman's dialogue in the "fake" ending.
Both endings help to explain each other.

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As I've said in "Mysteries and Theories of JoD" for the theory of 'NiGHTS Never Dies'...

I am... the creator of Nightmare.


Heed my words...

As long as darkness exists within the
hearts of humans then I... and the
nightmares... shall never be destroyed!

Remember that NiGHTS is a Nightmaren first and foremost so as long as Wizeman lives, NiGHTS, Reala, and the other Nightmarens will never be permanently destroyed (unless Wizeman destroys one of them of course; he's the creator after all).
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In all this, it's safe to assume that Wizeman will keep coming back with NiGHTS, Reala, etc. Of course, as long as there are Dreamers, there will be Nightopias. The World of Dreams isn't about to collapse in on itself. It's just a never-ending cycle that ultimately helps Visitors become stronger in the end (assuming that the dreamers get to the end of course).

...Actually, going on that train of thought...

JoD Before NiD...
Wizeman continues to lose against Visitors and thus cannot regain his powers as he once had.

NiD Before JoD...
Wizeman began to win continuously against Visitors and thus gains power.

Yay theories! ^^ *goes to repost in theories thread*

Oh, and as for Owl...well anything could have happened to him. Considering how long Owl's been around and the fact that he can appear/disappear anywhere, it's safe to assume that he's out there somewhere.




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