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[Dreams70]

How does NiGHTS get captured into the cage? Everytime Reala captures him he always just ends up in there. How does the cage form or what is done to be put in the cage? Does it just appear out of no where....


What are your thoughts on how this cage forms?
And how NiGHTS is trapped everytime?

[Noctourne Wonderland]

Maybe their made of some kind of Nightmaren repellant (KryptoNiGHTS, anyone? ) that prevents NiGHTS from escaping.

[Kentilan]

It's true that the game conveniently avoids showing how the cage appears. It does seem to appear out of nowhere. Maybe Wizeman creates them in Nightmare, then Reala and the Goodles have the ability to summon them in Nightopia.

It's interesting to note that the NiGHTS Captures are not mere cages; escaping from one (thanks to a dualization with an Ideya-holding Visitor) is not enough to be free, because the dualization will only last for a short time and NiGHTS would be dragged back to the cage when it ends. You actually have to get the keys to destroy the cages (all 3 of them) to be free. This is kind of similar to Wizeman's curse trapping NiGHTS in the Ideya Palace in NiD, so I think the NiGHTS Captures are similarly cursed by Wizeman.

[Penelopi]

Like most things in a dream, they probably aren't there until they are. Y'know? But Reala seems to have more involvement with them than Wizeman. Since he is the one handling (or trying to handle) NiGHTS's capture and Wizeman from the cutscenes appears to just be sitting on his (nonexistent) butt watching and whining, the cages appear to be more his idea. What I'm saying is it looks like the cages are all Reala. If he has the ability to make Mare Balloons and that big fiery star out of nowhere, then it's probably the same deal with the NiGHTS Captures. There is only one problem with this theory. In Crystal Castle, Reala isn't present. The Goodles by themselves surround NiGHTS before the cage closes up around him. That's the only time Reala isn't the cause of a NiGHTS Capture. Which could mean they can be planted as a trap and sprung by Reala's minions. Or that my theory's wrong.

[Kentilan]

Like most things in a dream, they probably aren't there until they are. Y'know?

Well, Nightopia doesn't seem to work exactly like "real" dream.

But Reala seems to have more involvement with them than Wizeman.

True, Wizeman isn't shown to have anything to do with the NiGHTS Captures. It's just that I find it strange that Reala could be able to make a barrier that NiGHTS can't cross without an Ideya. That seems a bit beyond Reala's abilities to me, especially since Wizeman was the one doing that in NiD. But of course, that's just speculation.

If he has the ability to make Mare Balloons and that big fiery star out of nowhere, then it's probably the same deal with the NiGHTS Captures.

You raise a good point; where do Mare Balloons come from? Maybe they don't come out of nowhere, but are also summoned from Nightmare? That would explain why they're called "Mare" Balloons (though I don't know why the Mares in NiD were called Mares).

In Crystal Castle, Reala isn't present. The Goodles by themselves surround NiGHTS before the cage closes up around him. That's the only time Reala isn't the cause of a NiGHTS Capture.

In Pure Valley, Reala doesn't seem to be involved with the Capture either. The Goodles take NiGHTS away to lock him while Reala leaves, flying in the opposite direction.

[Noctourne Wonderland]

True, Wizeman isn't shown to have anything to do with the NiGHTS Captures. It's just that I find it strange that Reala could be able to make a barrier that NiGHTS can't cross without an Ideya. That seems a bit beyond Reala's abilities to me, especially since Wizeman was the one doing that in NiD. But of course, that's just speculation.

I recall reading somewhere (the storybook?) that Wizeman sent Reala to trap NiGHTS in the Ideya Palace. However, I've always thought of the Palaces as preexsisting sturctures, made as a sort of shrine to the Ideya, not Wizeman/Reala's creation.

You raise a good point; where do Mare Balloons come from? Maybe they don't come out of nowhere, but are also summoned from Nightmare? That would explain why they're called "Mare" Balloons (though I don't know why the Mares in NiD were called Mares).

I think Mare Balloons and the giant flaming star thing are made by Reala's magic. The best guess would be that it comes from his persona, explaining where Mare Balloons weren't in NiD. The laps in NiD are called Mares because the take place at night. Night Mares, get it?

[Kentilan]

However, I've always thought of the Palaces as preexsisting sturctures, made as a sort of shrine to the Ideya, not Wizeman/Reala's creation.

Yes, I'm not saying Wizeman created the Ideya Palaces, I'm just saying Wizeman made the curse which prevents NiGHTS from escaping from the Ideya Palaces (and that's official) (ok, official sources also say that NiGHTS being confined was because of Reala, but that's rather vague).

The laps in NiD are called Mares because the take place at night. Night Mares, get it?

Yeaaah

[SmashQueen]

About those NiGHTS Captures, I think the reason they can keep NiGHTS in despite being "a bit beyond Reala's abilities" is because of how close NiGHTS is to the Ideya of Visitors. I keep thinking that the jewel on NiGHTS' chest is sort of like an Ideya and he might have a small connection with those orbs because of how close the jester gets to Visitors like Elliot, Claris, Will, and Helen. Those NiGHTS Captures could have been slightly modified versions of the Ideya Captures, keeping NiGHTS confined as he used to be in that gazebo in NiD (which I sadly have never played).

The Captures and gazebo were Wizeman's doing in NiD, but who is to say that Reala didn't obtain other new powers along with his new form in JoD? (He already has the Mare Balloons and fiery star and such. Why couldn't he do more?)

Those Captures in JoD seem to erupt from the ground, so a "sneak attack" of sorts could work. Maybe the Goodles transfer Reala's power when gathered around NiGHTS? Or maybe some captures pre-exist and a wall can be lowered for a moment to throw NiGHTS in?

All speculation of course.

[EZEKiAL]

These cages are made of and caused by plot holes, which Sonic Team conveniently has plenty of.

[Kentilan]

These cages are made of and caused by plot holes, which Sonic Team conveniently has plenty of.

What plot holes exactly?

[InTheNightlight]

As far as my small mind takes it, the cages are planted in the ground until NiGHTS comes along(how does it tell the difference thought?) and boom, NiGHTS is trapped. What's wierd is that Reala does seem to summon the cages, because after you defeat him at Delight City, he forms some kind of dark energy sphere, which seems to summon the captures. And it you notice, they're connected to the floor AND sky! Just how does THAT work?! Maybe in the next NiGHTS(if there is one) they'll show us how the cages form.

Hmmm......Maybe they're nightmaren! *shot*

[EZEKiAL]

What plot holes exactly?

Where's Reala?
Why's NiGHTS alive?
Why didn't Wizeman just create a bunch of Realas to gang up on NiGHTS?
Why didn't Wizeman just uncreate NiGHTS?
Why was Reala such an idiot as to "do something else" while NiGHTS escapes from his Ideya Palace/NiGHTS Capture every time?
Why can Sonic, Shadow, and Silver go super, but not Knuckles (now, anyway), even though Knuckles has more of a connection to the Chaos Emeralds than anyone?
Why can't Knuckles use Chaos Control?
How does one survive atmospheric rentry like it's a bump on the head?
Why can Sonic breathe in space in some games, but not in others?
Why is it that Angel Island isn't visible on SU's world map?
Why doesn't Metal Sonic just fly over that door at the end of Sonic CD?
WHAT THE HELL IS OCTOPAW DOING HERE?!?!

THOSE plotholes.

[Kentilan]

Where's Reala?
Why's NiGHTS alive?
Why didn't Wizeman just create a bunch of Realas to gang up on NiGHTS?
Why didn't Wizeman just uncreate NiGHTS?
Why was Reala such an idiot as to "do something else" while NiGHTS escapes from his Ideya Palace/NiGHTS Capture every time?
Why can Sonic, Shadow, and Silver go super, but not Knuckles (now, anyway), even though Knuckles has more of a connection to the Chaos Emeralds than anyone?
Why can't Knuckles use Chaos Control?
How does one survive atmospheric rentry like it's a bump on the head?
Why can Sonic breathe in space in some games, but not in others?
Why is it that Angel Island isn't visible on SU's world map?
Why doesn't Metal Sonic just fly over that door at the end of Sonic CD?
WHAT THE HELL IS OCTOPAW DOING HERE?!?!

THOSE plotholes.

...you know, I was talking about the NiGHTS Capture. Because you said "These cages are made of and caused by plot holes". None of these are relevant to the thread. Besides, most of them aren't even plotholes. I could give an explanation to most of them.

[EZEKiAL]

...you know, I was talking about the NiGHTS Capture. Because you said "These cages are made of and caused by plot holes". None of these are relevant to the thread. Besides, most of them aren't even plotholes. I could give an explanation to most of them.

Sorry, I know. I just like to joke n' rant.

Anyway, the NiGHTS Captures pretty much -POOF- outta nowhere, so I'm guessing they're just using dream logic. We only see Reala summon one of them, but it's minor details and junk like that are left out and make fans like us go crazygonuts.

[Noctourne Wonderland]

Where's Reala?
Why's NiGHTS alive?
Why didn't Wizeman just create a bunch of Realas to gang up on NiGHTS?
Why didn't Wizeman just uncreate NiGHTS?
Why was Reala such an idiot as to "do something else" while NiGHTS escapes from his Ideya Palace/NiGHTS Capture every time?
Why can Sonic, Shadow, and Silver go super, but not Knuckles (now, anyway), even though Knuckles has more of a connection to the Chaos Emeralds than anyone?
Why can't Knuckles use Chaos Control?
How does one survive atmospheric rentry like it's a bump on the head?
Why can Sonic breathe in space in some games, but not in others?
Why is it that Angel Island isn't visible on SU's world map?
Why doesn't Metal Sonic just fly over that door at the end of Sonic CD?
WHAT THE HELL IS OCTOPAW DOING HERE?!?!

THOSE plotholes.

The answer: It is (or is not) in the script.

I always thought that one part of the cage came from above NiGHTS, and another came from below him, trapping NiGHTS in the middle. I thought it showed that in the game, but upon reviewing the cutscenes, I noticed no such thing. I hae an overactive imagination.

[Kentilan]

I always thought that one part of the cage came from above NiGHTS, and another came from below him, trapping NiGHTS in the middle. I thought it showed that in the game, but upon reviewing the cutscenes, I noticed no such thing. I hae an overactive imagination.

It actually makes a lot of sense. After all the cage is made of two parts [picture], and each part is linked to a chain (well, the lower chain is actually floating in mid air, but still). So it makes sense that in order to trap NiGHTS inside, one part has to come from above and another from below.

[Noctourne Wonderland]

It actually makes a lot of sense. After all the cage is made of two parts [picture], and each part is linked to a chain (well, the lower chain is actually floating in mid air, but still). So it makes sense that in order to trap NiGHTS inside, one part has to come from above and another from below.

It's nice to know that I'm not certifiably insane. I did not realise how much the bars of the cage look like claws. It's really quite freaky.

[Penelopi]

Sorry, I know. I just like to joke n' rant.

Anyway, the NiGHTS Captures pretty much -POOF- outta nowhere, so I'm guessing they're just using dream logic. We only see Reala summon one of them, but it's minor details and junk like that are left out and make fans like us go crazygonuts.

Actually, we see him summon two. One in Lost Park and the other in Delight City. Though I guess that's besides the point.

Hey, Kentilan, you've seen the off-screen animation for the cage, right? What happens? Though I have a feeling it just sits under the "floor" until it's activated.

[Kentilan]

Hey, Kentilan, you've seen the off-screen animation for the cage, right? What happens? Though I have a feeling it just sits under the "floor" until it's activated.

I've just checked; indeed, the NiGHTS Capture is simply under the ground until it's needed, then the only animation is a short vertical translation. It makes sense that they wouldn't animate what is not shown. Though it would have been better if they had made and shown a proper animation.
Note that in Crystal Castle, the Capture isn't animated at all. It's always there, they just move the camera so that you don't see it until the end.

[sapphire]

I know this isn't a real good explanation, but I always thought the Captures just appeared when Reala summoned them. I mean, it is a dream, after all. It's not impossible.