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NiGHTS Capturer
#1
Posted 21 August 2009 - 02:49 AM
What are your thoughts on how this cage forms?
And how NiGHTS is trapped everytime?
#2
Posted 21 August 2009 - 04:57 AM
#3
Posted 21 August 2009 - 10:26 AM
It's interesting to note that the NiGHTS Captures are not mere cages; escaping from one (thanks to a dualization with an Ideya-holding Visitor) is not enough to be free, because the dualization will only last for a short time and NiGHTS would be dragged back to the cage when it ends. You actually have to get the keys to destroy the cages (all 3 of them) to be free. This is kind of similar to Wizeman's curse trapping NiGHTS in the Ideya Palace in NiD, so I think the NiGHTS Captures are similarly cursed by Wizeman.
#4
Posted 22 August 2009 - 12:39 AM
#5
Posted 22 August 2009 - 10:01 AM
Well, Nightopia doesn't seem to work exactly like "real" dream.Like most things in a dream, they probably aren't there until they are. Y'know?
True, Wizeman isn't shown to have anything to do with the NiGHTS Captures. It's just that I find it strange that Reala could be able to make a barrier that NiGHTS can't cross without an Ideya. That seems a bit beyond Reala's abilities to me, especially since Wizeman was the one doing that in NiD. But of course, that's just speculation.But Reala seems to have more involvement with them than Wizeman.
You raise a good point; where do Mare Balloons come from? Maybe they don't come out of nowhere, but are also summoned from Nightmare? That would explain why they're called "Mare" Balloons (though I don't know why the Mares in NiD were called Mares).If he has the ability to make Mare Balloons and that big fiery star out of nowhere, then it's probably the same deal with the NiGHTS Captures.
In Pure Valley, Reala doesn't seem to be involved with the Capture either. The Goodles take NiGHTS away to lock him while Reala leaves, flying in the opposite direction.In Crystal Castle, Reala isn't present. The Goodles by themselves surround NiGHTS before the cage closes up around him. That's the only time Reala isn't the cause of a NiGHTS Capture.
#6
Posted 22 August 2009 - 08:25 PM
I recall reading somewhere (the storybook?) that Wizeman sent Reala to trap NiGHTS in the Ideya Palace. However, I've always thought of the Palaces as preexsisting sturctures, made as a sort of shrine to the Ideya, not Wizeman/Reala's creation.True, Wizeman isn't shown to have anything to do with the NiGHTS Captures. It's just that I find it strange that Reala could be able to make a barrier that NiGHTS can't cross without an Ideya. That seems a bit beyond Reala's abilities to me, especially since Wizeman was the one doing that in NiD. But of course, that's just speculation.
I think Mare Balloons and the giant flaming star thing are made by Reala's magic. The best guess would be that it comes from his persona, explaining where Mare Balloons weren't in NiD. The laps in NiD are called Mares because the take place at night. Night Mares, get it?You raise a good point; where do Mare Balloons come from? Maybe they don't come out of nowhere, but are also summoned from Nightmare? That would explain why they're called "Mare" Balloons (though I don't know why the Mares in NiD were called Mares).
#7
Posted 22 August 2009 - 10:34 PM
Yes, I'm not saying Wizeman created the Ideya Palaces, I'm just saying Wizeman made the curse which prevents NiGHTS from escaping from the Ideya Palaces (and that's official) (ok, official sources also say that NiGHTS being confined was because of Reala, but that's rather vague).However, I've always thought of the Palaces as preexsisting sturctures, made as a sort of shrine to the Ideya, not Wizeman/Reala's creation.
YeaaahThe laps in NiD are called Mares because the take place at night. Night Mares, get it?
#8
Posted 24 August 2009 - 05:11 AM
The Captures and gazebo were Wizeman's doing in NiD, but who is to say that Reala didn't obtain other new powers along with his new form in JoD? (He already has the Mare Balloons and fiery star and such. Why couldn't he do more?)
Those Captures in JoD seem to erupt from the ground, so a "sneak attack" of sorts could work. Maybe the Goodles transfer Reala's power when gathered around NiGHTS? Or maybe some captures pre-exist and a wall can be lowered for a moment to throw NiGHTS in?
All speculation of course.
#9
Posted 25 August 2009 - 12:53 AM
#10
Posted 25 August 2009 - 08:56 AM
What plot holes exactly?These cages are made of and caused by plot holes, which Sonic Team conveniently has plenty of.
#11
Posted 25 August 2009 - 12:20 PM
Hmmm......Maybe they're nightmaren! *shot*
#12
Posted 25 August 2009 - 01:09 PM
What plot holes exactly?
Where's Reala?
Why's NiGHTS alive?
Why didn't Wizeman just create a bunch of Realas to gang up on NiGHTS?
Why didn't Wizeman just uncreate NiGHTS?
Why was Reala such an idiot as to "do something else" while NiGHTS escapes from his Ideya Palace/NiGHTS Capture every time?
Why can Sonic, Shadow, and Silver go super, but not Knuckles (now, anyway), even though Knuckles has more of a connection to the Chaos Emeralds than anyone?
Why can't Knuckles use Chaos Control?
How does one survive atmospheric rentry like it's a bump on the head?
Why can Sonic breathe in space in some games, but not in others?
Why is it that Angel Island isn't visible on SU's world map?
Why doesn't Metal Sonic just fly over that door at the end of Sonic CD?
WHAT THE HELL IS OCTOPAW DOING HERE?!?!
THOSE plotholes.
#13
Posted 25 August 2009 - 01:48 PM
...you know, I was talking about the NiGHTS Capture. Because you said "These cages are made of and caused by plot holes". None of these are relevant to the thread. Besides, most of them aren't even plotholes. I could give an explanation to most of them.Where's Reala?
Why's NiGHTS alive?
Why didn't Wizeman just create a bunch of Realas to gang up on NiGHTS?
Why didn't Wizeman just uncreate NiGHTS?
Why was Reala such an idiot as to "do something else" while NiGHTS escapes from his Ideya Palace/NiGHTS Capture every time?
Why can Sonic, Shadow, and Silver go super, but not Knuckles (now, anyway), even though Knuckles has more of a connection to the Chaos Emeralds than anyone?
Why can't Knuckles use Chaos Control?
How does one survive atmospheric rentry like it's a bump on the head?
Why can Sonic breathe in space in some games, but not in others?
Why is it that Angel Island isn't visible on SU's world map?
Why doesn't Metal Sonic just fly over that door at the end of Sonic CD?
WHAT THE HELL IS OCTOPAW DOING HERE?!?!
THOSE plotholes.
#14
Posted 26 August 2009 - 01:01 AM
...you know, I was talking about the NiGHTS Capture. Because you said "These cages are made of and caused by plot holes". None of these are relevant to the thread. Besides, most of them aren't even plotholes. I could give an explanation to most of them.
Sorry, I know. I just like to joke n' rant.
Anyway, the NiGHTS Captures pretty much -POOF- outta nowhere, so I'm guessing they're just using dream logic. We only see Reala summon one of them, but it's minor details and junk like that are left out and make fans like us go crazygonuts.
#15
Posted 26 August 2009 - 01:39 AM
The answer: It is (or is not) in the script.Where's Reala?
Why's NiGHTS alive?
Why didn't Wizeman just create a bunch of Realas to gang up on NiGHTS?
Why didn't Wizeman just uncreate NiGHTS?
Why was Reala such an idiot as to "do something else" while NiGHTS escapes from his Ideya Palace/NiGHTS Capture every time?
Why can Sonic, Shadow, and Silver go super, but not Knuckles (now, anyway), even though Knuckles has more of a connection to the Chaos Emeralds than anyone?
Why can't Knuckles use Chaos Control?
How does one survive atmospheric rentry like it's a bump on the head?
Why can Sonic breathe in space in some games, but not in others?
Why is it that Angel Island isn't visible on SU's world map?
Why doesn't Metal Sonic just fly over that door at the end of Sonic CD?
WHAT THE HELL IS OCTOPAW DOING HERE?!?!
THOSE plotholes.
I always thought that one part of the cage came from above NiGHTS, and another came from below him, trapping NiGHTS in the middle. I thought it showed that in the game, but upon reviewing the cutscenes, I noticed no such thing. I hae an overactive imagination.
#16
Posted 26 August 2009 - 09:23 AM
It actually makes a lot of sense. After all the cage is made of two parts [picture], and each part is linked to a chain (well, the lower chain is actually floating in mid air, but still). So it makes sense that in order to trap NiGHTS inside, one part has to come from above and another from below.I always thought that one part of the cage came from above NiGHTS, and another came from below him, trapping NiGHTS in the middle. I thought it showed that in the game, but upon reviewing the cutscenes, I noticed no such thing. I hae an overactive imagination.
#17
Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:15 AM
It's nice to know that I'm not certifiably insane. I did not realise how much the bars of the cage look like claws. It's really quite freaky.It actually makes a lot of sense. After all the cage is made of two parts [picture], and each part is linked to a chain (well, the lower chain is actually floating in mid air, but still). So it makes sense that in order to trap NiGHTS inside, one part has to come from above and another from below.
#18
Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:58 AM
Actually, we see him summon two. One in Lost Park and the other in Delight City. Though I guess that's besides the point.Sorry, I know. I just like to joke n' rant.
Anyway, the NiGHTS Captures pretty much -POOF- outta nowhere, so I'm guessing they're just using dream logic. We only see Reala summon one of them, but it's minor details and junk like that are left out and make fans like us go crazygonuts.
Hey, Kentilan, you've seen the off-screen animation for the cage, right? What happens? Though I have a feeling it just sits under the "floor" until it's activated.
#19
Posted 30 August 2009 - 06:47 PM
I've just checked; indeed, the NiGHTS Capture is simply under the ground until it's needed, then the only animation is a short vertical translation. It makes sense that they wouldn't animate what is not shown. Though it would have been better if they had made and shown a proper animation.Hey, Kentilan, you've seen the off-screen animation for the cage, right? What happens? Though I have a feeling it just sits under the "floor" until it's activated.
Note that in Crystal Castle, the Capture isn't animated at all. It's always there, they just move the camera so that you don't see it until the end.
#20
Posted 07 September 2009 - 09:31 PM
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