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[TRiPPY]

Hi!

Just as a starter topic i thought i'd kick it all off with this one which has been on my mind a lot since i started hearing about NiGHTS 2 a few months ago and the forums were down. I often wanted to rant or vent but found i could always turn to DiGi offline instead of tearing up the internet regarding the emotions a lot of you must be feeling. A lot of you rely on the net to vent, so it's important that you have likeminded people around you to listen to what you have to say.

The new game hhmmmm...

New guys will be excited. I want to be excited too, i really do, but i can't be. It's just... one of those things D: I'm ready to be dissapointed, but at the same time i want to be impressed.

I know that a few of you will feel like you're on an emotional rollercoaster right now. When i read all those emails you sent in about your wishes and feeling towards NiGHTS 2 i knew i HAD to open these forums. I think you could all really help eachother.

Big changes after 11 years can be both frustrating and refreshing. It can be hard not knowing how to feel. Getting the butterflies, getting the doubts, sometimes wishing you could say more.

How have you guys been coping? I mean i'm not Lord emotastic but it's certainly had me lose sleep both with fears and nerves. Some days are good, some days are not so good. It's hard to see something that is such a huge part of your life resurface as something different after 11 years. Anyone else been feeling mighty jumpy?

Its irritating not being sure whether to jump for joy or kiss your dreams goodbye.

Anyone got any major anger or major glee? I'd love to hear about what's been going on in your brainmeats over the recent happenings.

One thing is for certain though, even if this game fails with the fans we'll still be here doing what we do. Count on that.

I'd love to see through the perspective of someone new to the fanbase. How do you feel? I wonder if it was like 1996. I'd give anything to relive that year.

[Lavos]

Well, of course, I jumped onto the NiD bandwagon rather late. As such, my opinion might differ significantly from others because I haven't been playing, analyzing, writing, and drawing about the game for eleven years.

But anyway, I can roughly compare the situation to one of a SNES game that was my favorite videogame before I discovered NiGHTS... Chrono Trigger. The game was accepted wonderfully, I loved it, just about everyone else who played it loved it, and demand for a sequel was high. So the PlayStation sequel "Chrono Cross" was released. It was horrible, completely twisted up the excellent story of CT, and was just kinda boring. And what's kinda funny is that most fans, when discussing the story, characters, etc, just pretend that Cross doesn't exist. And we say we're still waiting for the "real" CT sequel.

I really think a similar thing will happen should Journey of Dreams crash and burn. We'll accept it as a mistake and move on, hoping that the next one pulls it off. If it works, if it's the sequel NiD deserves, wonderful. But otherwise, it'll just be another waiting game.

It may just be that I've only waited a year, but I'm not terribly worried.

[YamiLover13]

I can't wait for the new game to come out. However...I am very worried. After everything that has happend to Sonic, how can I not be worried?! What worries me the most is that they want to get this done in a year. Thats just a bit too fast for me. I hope to God that the e-mails you guys sent in got read. If only a little...

I read something about the weather system and things of that nature possibly being inputed into the game. I wonder if it can detect if it was raining or snowing where you lived. That would be interesting. I agree with Digi's comment in the Podcast though, it would be awsome if NiGHTS did something on your birthday. I plan to draw a picture of that....

Voices...ah voices....That is a scary thought. I hope that they include Japanese voices. Usually those are a lot better than the English ones. (I can't stand playing a Sonic game in English...let alone NiGHTS.) I kinda hope NiGHTS doesn't have a voice though. Or at least doesn't talk much.

I heard one thing about Reala being in the game, and I hope that is true. It would seriously hurt if he didn't make another apperance. (I hope for Jackle too but thats probably hopeless dreaming.)

I am tired and will continue this later. Sorry....

[DiGi Valentine]

I got you on this one, TRiP. You know that. As i've said (and Purp too), if worst comes to worst and this game goes straight to hell due to poor construction/planning/etc then it will gives us more of a reason to contact SEGA all over again. And we have a whole fanbase waiting to join us in on that too.

My worries are the same as TRiP's. Part of me wants to be excited, and i mean i really wanna scream with glee over seeing NiGHTS' face again in magazines and people giving him words of praise. But...it's just...y'know...a tad awkward knowing two small points of fact. Point 1 being that this team are the same team that created Shadow the Hedgehog (sorry if you guys like it but it didn't really go well with me). Point 2 being the fact that we had been told quite a small sum of development details months ago with some of it coming through (like that Puffy maren rip-off) and some of it not (like the name being changed). If they keep changing their idea's all the time then we could miss out on a whole heap of cool things that we were told about. I mean, that recent NGamer interview. Izuka says the controls were recieved poorly for the previous game. Poorly? The people loved it. If they didn't love the first 5 minutes then they loved the first 10, they just needed to understand what they were doing. NiGHTS into Dreams could have been a game before it's time. If he's worried about some so-so gamer saying "but i didn't know what i was doing because i'm dense, Izuka-san" then god only knows how the new game is going to control.

But..hey...chill, DiG'. Save your argument for the next show of DreamCast....which will probably go into recording tonight, hopefully. ;;

[Purgatory]

Well.. you guys read all my insane and colourful babble in that email I sent you guys to add to your package to Sega.. So far, it doesn't look to me that they've added those EXTREME!Elements that make me want to jump off a trampoline and into a ceiling fan.. But there are other things surfacing now. I'm a little concerned about the 2D track in a 3D world thing being used again in this sequel, I'll bet they could have done so much if they hadn't gone that way. But I really want to believe it won't be as awkward as that Sonic one. *Rocks back and forth* That song... that.. damned... SONG...!

That Patchwork-Puffy 'Maren throws me off slightly. Not that Puffy was bad, but that's the point: Puffy was enough! O_O What if its all regurgitated? Well.. I did say I would enjoy either a sequel or a remake.. but not that I would really like something where they wanted to impress with the graphics so much that they were going to cheat a remake. :/ It seems like a lot of people have similar worries.

I hope that they don't change the game too much before its completed. What if we wind up with Franken-NiGHTS?? Nuuu~

And I agree, DiGi, what the heck was that about?? The controls not user friendly?? The first time I played the game, I picked it up very quickly. I didn't have a problem and back in those silly days when I hadn't really played yet, I even had the clockface stunt system memorized. The controls never bothered me.. But it would be really funny if he himself picked up the game, blew the dust off his Saturn, and played it and was completely out of practice and that's why he said it. WAA Haaaaa! *imagines* I only hope that it isn't too much like Sonic and the Secret Rings, that was like someone attached Sonic to a cow thrower in front of a train.

[animejosse]

I'm gleeing, I'm excited and I'm trying to see things as positive as possible... but at the same time I can't help but worry a little. Of course it won't be as good as the original, but I really hope it'll be more than average. I also hope they won't make giant changes to the universe and characters, because that's what made me like the game in the first place.

[suri]

I am happy about some things, disapointed about some things, and holding my breath for others. But overall I am not losing sleep because I never expect sequals to be better than the origional. I think a game having to live up to something like NiGHTS is a tough strike against it.

Happy about: track based gameplay, claris-elliot-reala, old control sceme, music by the same music director

Dissapointed about: less than breathtaking level designs (from the glimpses we have seen anyways), masks, NiGHTS doesnt even look like he is normal mapped and has too few polygons..and those fish look better than he does

Holding breath about: crush 40 better keep their mits off this game , I hope it is still a score attack game and not an adventure game, I hope there are no voices because it keeps the characters mysterious and gives a good mood to the game.

[YamiLover13]

Suri: The fish do look better than NiGHTS. D: And I don't think Sega would be that stupid to put Crush 40 in...I hope. ;_;

As for the controls....they were pretty hard. To use normal gamers, they were good. But to new people or young idiot 8 year olds like me who could only really play fighting games well (It was always hilarious for an 8 year old to beat a grown man in Mortal Kombat. XD )...the controls are pretty hard.

Real life example, I put the controllers into the hands of my friend who never plays video games. Her respones: "How do you go stright? I keep going up and down..." O.O
I wanted to bang my head against a wall. I tried to direct her and let her learn but after 10 min she wanted to quit. She said, "I want to play Sonic Riders again. I like that game. I am good at it."

WHAT?!! Since when is Sonic Riders better than NiGHTS. I thought Sonic Riders controls were worse. I wanted to cry and my boyfriend was laughing while watching all this. Mario fan....

[Louis]

I've got to admit, I'm past the point of caring.

While I'm interested in the development of Journey of Dreams, it is what it is, this years Sonic game. Still, Secret Rings was horribly rushed and that turned out well, due to a large development team and NiGHTS levels must hardly take much tallent to put together. Ring here, chips there... badaboom you're done.

Now, let's go at this from a different angle, what they need to do to ensure this is half way decent in my eyes.

Not messing with the gameplay system. - Nunchuck if you want? Nice one Sega. Persona? Possibly game breaking.
Nicely thought out boss battles - Gulpo was the game hilight for me, such a fun way t go about a boss, with any luck Puffy cyclops will play a bit like Puffy, but I'd like some good new ideas please.

Pians - Probably won't be in it because of time constrainsts. Which is a shame really. Messing with the soundtrack though them was a lot of fun.

New kids please - Now people might not like me for this, but Elliot and Claris were ten years ago, their little dreams is over. I wouldn't like it if NiGHTS helped the with every damn first date, period etc. So the conflicting reports about Kevin and Helen make me happy (at least when the new ones are mentioned)

Good sountrack - The old composer is on board, good good.

I'll probably be able to think of more later, but until then this game seems a bit meh. Not good, not bad. Just meh.

[Matthew29w12]

I'm keeping sane (not for long) and I just keep jigging 'cause i'm Uuber ecstatic that JoD is coming out. Tooooooo happy!

Also Louis "Persona? Possibly game breaking." If you can remember NiGHTS transformed into a Sleigh on Frozen Bell, that sure didn't ruin the game!

[CORNSiLK]

i don't know, we've had so many false starts that my brain just refuses to accept that it's real this time.
I understand it, but the emotional YAYness isn't there.

I'm just glad that NiGHTS is recognized. . . and I'll personally lead the angry mob if they make any major mistakes.
I can live with Reala's promotion i suppose. I'm not thrilled, but i guess they wanted to pull an Archie.

And I refuse to make sense. Sanity is overrated.

[Dan]

I think i'm saying the same as most. Yeah i'm totally amazed a NiGHTS game is in the works. Like, I was looking at the cover of NGAMER and thinking "I can't believe NiGHTS is back!" But at the same time i'm scared to death that it'll get ruined by Sonic Team's poor/rushed development.

I didn't like Secret rings. To me it still sported all the same problems since Sonic Adventure. Unresponsive controls, painful collision detection and yes at times even the camera was daft. Despite the game being on rails.

Theres no proof on how well the game will play until we see the reviews or get a try for ourselves.

I'm a litttle confused on the rumour also that Prope began development for NiGHTS 2, but it was moved to Sonic Team USA (Saw this at Spong)

Some say Spong's an awful resource (Even though they confimed NiGHTS JOD before anyone else)

[Louis]

Also Louis "Persona? Possibly game breaking." If you can remember NiGHTS transformed into a Sleigh on Frozen Bell, that sure didn't ruin the game!

That all depends on how well it's implemented. If say it were a simple transition like before, with all the masks from the start then it would be okay (if a little pointless, controlling crap until you'd played loing enough/not being able to play the game with all the moves you need until you're finished etc). I worry that having to collect the masks before will result in the levels not beingable to be explored fully on first play ( The levelup system ruined Secret Rings in a similar way). If they're items like the ones scattered though Sonic games then it could fragment and runin a good score attack. And if there are horrble Majoras Mask style screaming transformations, then not only would it ruin the pace of the game, but make it cheesy as hell.

Then again, they're saying the gameplay is simplified from the first, so maybe it is all automatic.

[Matthew29w12]

That all depends on how well it's implemented. If say it were a simple transition like before, with all the masks from the start then it would be okay (if a little pointless, controlling crap until you'd played loing enough/not being able to play the game with all the moves you need until you're finished etc). I worry that having to collect the masks before will result in the levels not beingable to be explored fully on first play ( The levelup system ruined Secret Rings in a similar way). If they're items like the ones scattered though Sonic games then it could fragment and runin a good score attack. And if there are horrble Majoras Mask style screaming transformations, then not only would it ruin the pace of the game, but make it cheesy as hell.

Then again, they're saying the gameplay is simplified from the first, so maybe it is all automatic.

Woops, you're right! Sorry Louis! Didn't think of it like that.

[YamiLover13]

You don't know Sega too well anymore, do you?

I can pray can't I?! Wait...what if they use Crush 40 Music for Reala's theme. Oh @#%$.

[Purgatory]

I would have to stick pens in my eyes.
Here's a horrible ear-raping thought: All the levels have a theme like Knuckle's rap/hiphop level songs. *soul flies out*

[Metra]

I'm... Anxious. I GOTTA play JoD, but... I'm afraid. I'm in the same boat as DiGi, I think.
I think it's because, well... Eleven years after, it's hard to believe that the game is getting a sequel. A great part of the fandom wished for that, but... If they ruin it? I'm REALLY afraid. I wanted something new and I sent my e-mails to the .com, but... Man, it's hard to explain myself. I'm just afraid they'll ruin NiGHTS Into Dreams. We just can hope, pray and dream.

I'm just glad that NiGHTS is recognized. . . and I'll personally lead the angry mob if they make any major mistakes.

YAY ANGRY MOB.

[somnium]

I would have to stick pens in my eyes.
Here's a horrible ear-raping thought: All the levels have a theme like Knuckle's rap/hiphop level songs. *soul flies out*

Meteor Herd was t3h r0x0r.

Don't let it get you,
MOVE!
Don't let it get you,
MOVE!
Don't let it get you,
Move!

[Purgatory]

Meteor Herd was t3h r0x0r.

Don't let it get you,
MOVE!
Don't let it get you,
MOVE!
Don't let it get you,
Move!

"Give up the emerald.. or die... I don't love you"?
"A ghost tried to approach me and got buried"... You know how long I thought he was saying "A ghost tried to approach me and got malaria?! *lol* O god! *Rolls around in pain* I don't know if I could stomach more stuff like that.
Meteor herd wasn't so bad, because by the end of the game, the damned guy started running out of lyrics, so he was actually just saying the name of the levels and going "uh!" and stuff.

Uh! Uh! Twin Seeds yo! Twin seeds yo!
NiGHTS is smooth
people think he's a dude
but I think he's a laday
so I won't be gay-hay!
Uh! Uh! Stick CanYOWN!

I'm on crack. Purple flying crack.

[Aura-Moon]

Hmm...I stand on the 50/50 with the whole new game thingy.

I keep telling myself "They're gonna butcher it like the sonic games" @_@ It's a disturbing thought to be honest, like...NiGHTS sounds like some spasticated mickey mouse whilst claris has the cliche japanese gaga girl voice >.< and elliot sounds like a middle school teacher *snnnrk*

The graphics look lush but think about story and gameplay. the original NiD game had no actual set storyline, just a basic outline to give players something to work with rather than fly around in endless circles, you know? You had two characters, one main hero and some villians, but it was unique!
I hope they develop the story a little bit for the new game...the last thing i want is another empty SEGA drop out of a game =/ SEGA had skills telling stories, they just need to work on it more! Take a leaf out of Nintendo's book or something.

Blah rambling.

Speaking of controls and such, SONIC AND THE SECRET RINGS is a hassle to play so I hope they fix the controls of that when it comes to releasing the new game, so that you don't end up veering off course, smacking into a tree and do a 360 for no reason @_@. It was a disaster really, good story, excellent graphics, characters were good but...ugh...gameplay fell down insanely. At least the multiplayer was fun!
Speaking of that! I hope they include a better multiplayer feature or a secret alternative mode where you play from Reala's viewpoint or something...*daydream* or even the old date thing from NiD Christmas.

Argh t-t crush 40 are good...I hope they do reala's theme, it'd work! He's all heavy metal anger and stuff, Reala is!

Also, voice actors, anyone got any good suggestions of who would fit what if they were to include voices?

[Louis]

Speaking of controls and such, SONIC AND THE SECRET RINGS is a hassle to play so I hope they fix the controls of that when it comes to releasing the new game, so that you don't end up veering off course, smacking into a tree and do a 360 for no reason @_@. It was a disaster really, good story, excellent graphics, characters were good but...ugh...gameplay fell down insanely. At least the multiplayer was fun!
Speaking of thatArgh t-t crush 40 are good...I hope they do reala's theme, it'd work! He's all heavy metal anger and stuff, Reala is!

Controls in Secret Rings only bad until you level up enough and buy the right techniques, ruined the single player for many that did. God I hope persona doesn't have the same problem

And with the original composer on board, it's safe to say that there won't be any Crush 40, so people can stop the panic I guess

[Metra]

Also, voice actors, anyone got any good suggestions of who would fit what if they were to include voices?

If they give NiGHTS a voice, please be an (VERY) androginous one. Nothing that screams "I AM A MALE" or "I AM A FEMALE".

[YamiLover13]

Meteor Herd was t3h r0x0r.

Don't let it get you,
MOVE!
Don't let it get you,
MOVE!
Don't let it get you,
Move!

Wow a song with a game hint...what a concept.

Darn you Purg! You made me spit chocolate milk on my computer!

I will agree Auroa, Crush 40 is not bad at all. I like some of there songs...However its when they shoved it into Sonic that it got bad. I fear Reala having the "I Am" song. Something a little lighter please. The orginal Reala theme was Rock not Hard Rock.

I really hated Knuckes's rap songs. That just....no! Oh better yet...they can give Wizeman a song Like Eggman's!

I am the Wizeman
Yes I am
I am the Wizeman....

No Reala's song should sound like this. XP
Click here to watch Industrial-Rock-Finnish-song
I am jokeing...jokeing!

[Louis]

If they give NiGHTS a voice, please be an (VERY) androginous one. Nothing that screams "I AM A MALE" or "I AM A FEMALE".

I'd rather like maren voices to be played backwards. Not just so it sounds like gibberish, but you know like when you record something, play it backwards, then record the giberish you hear with your own voice again, play that backwards and you end up with something really strange and distorted, but understandable. I probably explianed that badly, but it's a nice technique.

[Metra]

I'd rather like maren voices to be played backwards. Not just so it sounds like gibberish, but you know like when you record something, play it backwards, then record the giberish you hear with your own voice again, play that backwards and you end up with something really strange and distorted, but understandable. I probably explianed that badly, but it's a nice technique.

It would be very cool! I'm gonna try that *Gets microphone*

But... People would say that NiGHTS has satanic subliminal messages and make all that drama on the media. It would be cool and strange at the same time (And a reason to laugh).

[YamiLover13]

I'd rather like maren voices to be played backwards. Not just so it sounds like gibberish, but you know like when you record something, play it backwards, then record the giberish you hear with your own voice again, play that backwards and you end up with something really strange and distorted, but understandable. I probably explianed that badly, but it's a nice technique.

Oh yes...Like in Jackle's song. I used to think Jackle might be saying something backwrods too...but then I found out it wasn't true. He just loves gibberish.

Also, the old NiGHTS voice sounded very female to me. I hope they fix that. I would try and say it could also be a very very young boy's voice....but my brain kept saying 'no'.

[Purgatory]

An androgynous NiGHTS voice would be good. Hm. Like.. Mayo Suzukaze. (Japanese voice of Kenshin) Its a woman, but the voice could also pass for young boy. I think that's pretty good.

I still hope they don't change things too much, I like the engrish/backwards speech/whatever else everyone thinks it is or it really is. XD

Yami, you know you love that shiz! BOYEEEE!!!

[Aura-Moon]

The backwards voice thing sounds very interesting actually! I can imagine that for Reala the most!
I hope they don't bring in ALL new bosses and no glimpse of the originals...I loved Clawz and Jackle...*sigh*

*snort* Satanic NiGHTS...makes me wanna draw that now, lol!

Mmm, I stopped play SONIC for a while...the controls gave me wrist ache! I think like, they should just keep it simple in the JoD stuff.

[Nickbot]

I must say, I was wondering when this was going to happen. For the longest time, I always questioned in the back of my head "what if..." This game has a vast and surprisingly near endless supply of possibilities that could very well make or break a sequel. Yet for an 11 year streak of not having a thought, a process, or even a glimpse to its possibility. Face it, out of one fan here, there are more that have, and still will, come to wonder "What is NiGHTS?" because they haven't had the privilege to play the Sega Saturn NiGHTS into Dreams. This is indeed a new age and to make this game something to remember for the next generation would take a lot of thought.

NiGHTS' as a character is a rather complex thing to understand. NiGHTS is a Maren, which as mentioned, Marens are considered the bad guys: Reala, Jackle, Puffy, Gulpo, Gillwing, Clawz and the minions of the game are all examples. So that in itself would make you think of what kinda Maren was NiGHTS before all this and many people have made their ideas about what it could be. Now this could play a part in the sequel, Journey of Dreams: somehow revealing what NiGHTS' was like. Perhaps it could be a relatively cool thing but also it can be something that just sucks hard.

Also, NiGHTS is more of an acrobatic flying jester. What kinda moves could the developers have added/subtracted from the game to make this a bit more interesting. With that said, though, this brings out the technology that the Wii was striving for: the use of that funky controller of theirs. In my mind, I see that the developers at SEGA knew that they had a real winning game on their hand and when the first one came out, though it wasn't the all time high of the year, it definitely left a mark on their minds for a possible sequel. But how to top it? And with this new controller, it seems that this would be the best possibly solution for terms of game play. I can see myself now breaking TV's left and right cause of this x_x;

Plot is still in the dark from what I heard, which can be both good and bad. Good for those who have never played the game and have no idea to what possibly to expect or have high hopes for. Bad for the old timers out there who have taken the liberty of playing the game to this day. I do expect mixed views and a bunch of pros/cons but for me, I'm looking past the desires of what to hope for. I expect a good game to come of this. Naka owes us that much, anyway.

My prime input on what to hope for in this sequel is to have it be something to remember. I wanna experience the good time I had when I first played this game and questioned "what if..." Hopefully some of the answers are made clearer in the future, but for me, I expect a lot of old stuff and a lot of new stuff. I am digging the new outfit of NiGHTS and am glad to hear Reala is back. Both glad and kinda disappointed to see Claris and Elliot have returned. I would have definitely liked to see some new dreamers in the game. But hey, there are many things that are still in the dark of this game that we can only hope to find out later through leaks and gossip.

Next...

[Nellie Francis]

Like Lavos, I have jumped the bandwagon a bit late myself. Though I would love to get a feel of what you guys have been through with NiGHTS.

(Darnit, why isn't there an RP on it? I wants my some Role-Play!)

*ahem* excuse me.... >.>;;