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EDITED: My original post was "spam status" in my opinion so I have decided to type up a concise theory to the best of my abilities.

I have a thought that perhaps Wizeman was created not from being a physical human that became an all powerful, evil being but from the thoughts and minds of all us. I am not trying to be religious here but in the bible it says that man is born with impure hearts or something along those lines. That evil in our hearts could possibly pour into dreams and show us things that are rather unsettling. That evil in the hearts of all could possibly be what had created Wizeman. So, in theory we created Wizeman.

*QUICK NOTE: I'm looping in and out of reality and game so I hope I don't lose anyone. I don't literally mean us as you the human reading this but as those humans in the game, just referring us to fiction. I'll try not to confuse anyone.

Wizeman comes off as a purely evil individual. There seems to be no trace of love, purity, or anything good in him. He is like Satan only not gay, is actually godlike whereas Satan can only screw with people's minds, and more evil just less useful as he can't even kill his own creation(noob lol). This is why I came up with this theory. Wizeman is nothing more than the evil that we produce on a daily basis whether it is physical or mental. He is the pure evil that we are to fear. Plus he can slap you not once. No. He can do it SIX times. But why capitalize and bold six? Think about this. Six hands with six eyes that contain six pupils. That's 666. The number of the beast, the number of evil. This can only mean that not only can he slap you six times but his hands contain pure evil itself. The eyes staring in your soul and feeding off it's evil which will obviously make the slap even more powerful than it was prior to slapping you.

*FUN FACT: Some say 616 is the true number of the beast.


And now a complete ripoff of Handsome Tom's Useless Knowledge(oh how I miss Handsome Tom):

It's time for iLLViLLAiN's USELESS KNOWLEDGE!!!

Did you ever notice that Wizeman, much like NiGHTS, Reala, and Jackle does not have a neck?

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And now a complete ripoff of Handsome Tom's Useless Knowledge(oh how I miss Handsome Tom):

It's time for iLLViLLAiN's USELESS KNOWLEDGE!!!

Did you ever notice that Wizeman, much like NiGHTS, Reala, and Jackle are does not have a neck?


I noticed that too. Throatless.

I guess Wizeman has some sort of irrational fear against having his, or his creation,' throats slit so to loophole his fear he just got rid of their necks completely. Logical, no?

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I noticed that too. Throatless.

I guess Wizeman has some sort of irrational fear against having his, or his creation,' throats slit so to loophole his fear he just got rid of their necks completely. Logical, no?

Why didn't I think of that?

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Plus he can slap you not once. No. He can do it SIX times.


WIZEMAN used PIMPSLAP!

Hit six times!

The attack was super-effective!

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And about the necks comment: They don't have wrists, either. HMM. I think you might be on to something.

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And about the necks comment: They don't have wrists, either. HMM. I think you might be on to something.

Like lazy concept artist lol jking I love the concept art

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They all have no wrists, necks....or noses

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Or eyebrows. Or lips (excluding Reala but he wears lipstick anyway) or ears, for that matter. Jesus, lazy concept artists or Wizeman is loopier than we all thought?

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So, their heads are basically perfectly round...does this mean something???

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Wizeman has a secret agenda. *coughgigglecough*

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Yup, I guess so

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Or he was really drunk. That is actually (no I'm not kidding) my belief as to how the duck-billed platypus was created. God had a few spare parts on the cutting room floor, grabbed a bottle of Jack Daniels', and there you go. An unholy union between duck and beaver.

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*snort* I guess that could be true!

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TheOrangeNightmare and DAiLiGHTS, you're getting off-topic.

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Why do I always wind up doing that? I hijack topics with my insanity.

Anyway, you know what I think? I think Wizeman was Hitler in life. It just seems like they're sort of similar. Expand the empire, destroy anything that isn't like us, kill all deserters, preach bullcrap into the minds of the masses, etc etc etc.

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Why do I always wind up doing that? I hijack topics with my insanity.

I sometimes do that as well. I have to catch myself a lot.

Anyway, you know what I think? I think Wizeman was Hitler in life. It just seems like they're sort of similar. Expand the empire, destroy anything that isn't like us, kill all deserters, preach bullcrap into the minds of the masses, etc etc etc.

lol Next game we'll be paralooping swastikas. But I kind of think Nightopia would have been completely destroyed by now or taken over. I can't see Hitler creating cute little monsters like Kirkles, Shleep, and Hollows to do his bidding.

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Well, it's the world of Dreams. Perhaps he tried to make scary things, but the dreams themselves transformed them. "Dammit, you're supposed to have claws, not fluff!"

"Shleep...?"

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Why do I always wind up doing that? I hijack topics with my insanity.

Anyway, you know what I think? I think Wizeman was Hitler in life. It just seems like they're sort of similar. Expand the empire, destroy anything that isn't like us, kill all deserters, preach bullcrap into the minds of the masses, etc etc etc.



You mean, more like Genghis Khan or Napoleon...'cause I don't see him killing off millions of dreamers and/or Nightmaren simply because he deems them unpure, or, um, "preach bullcrap into the minds of the masses"...

He's a conqueror, not a politician. lol.

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TheOrangeNightmare and DAiLiGHTS, you're getting off-topic.

*gasp* sorry!

He's a conqueror, not a politician. lol.

LOL vote 4 Wizeman campaign buttons!

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Oh geez, Wizeman topic. Now I'm simply compelled to post. Darn it all. XD

Anyway... I'm one of those luckless dreamers who never got to play the games, BUT instead I've been burying my crazy head in research for the past 5 years of my fandom.
Unfortunately I don't have that hands-on experience that you guys do, so please correct me if I'm wrong with any vital points. Thanks. ^^



Back to the music, here's what I think of Wizeman.
First off, I'm an avid believer in TRiPPY's belief that he's different to all of us. Hey, that's how dreams are, after all. I believe that we all see Wizeman differently, because he's a unique member of each of our dreamscapes, and yet he's still Wizeman. If you get my drift.

However, personally I also subscribe to Saphira's theory... that Wizeman considers his two Level 1 'Maren his "sons." After all, they are the most unique and heck, he even granted them free will. They were definitely meant to be something great, even if he had not planned to become attached to them at first. It's simply the "parental" syndrome all creators seem to contract in time-- when you form a creature of your own mind and with your own two hands (or six, in this case), you can't help but be partial to it.

Don't get me wrong, though, I know what the guy's title is: 'Wizeman the Wicked.' I don't believe he's the only "Dream Lord" out there, as I've seen many others, but I do believe he's one of, if not the most vicious, influential and powerful. He's one brilliantly nasty sonofagun and isn't afraid to show it, especially not to dreamers. I believe Wizeman is so freaking nasty towards dreamers because he doesn't believe and/or accept the fact that dreams and nightmares alike need dreaming minds to survive and exist, and is trying to prove otherwise. It fits his megalomanic mindset (God complex, anyone?), and would also explain the other half of the rage he has towards NiGHTS for rebelling on the dreamer's behalf. The first half of his fury would simply come from the rebellion itself... the free choice of his own 'son' to abandon his 'father' without a second thought. That would hurt anyone.

Hm... also, although he's always been bad and seems to be getting worse, I still think Wizeman has a nicer side. No doubt. I strongly believe that no soul is completely evil or completely pure, unless you're divine or something, and then you don't even fit the category. Regardless, I believe Wizeman has all the potential to be kinder than he usually is, albeit without totally abandoning his rather nasty personality. After all he's undoubtedly seen and been through and done, he must have picked up some positive qualities, hidden or not. But they're there, and I think it's visible in the fact that he's given NiGHTS the chance to change his mind, instead of just flat-out destroying him as he so confidently states he can.

Random little supporting note, Wizeman has been frequently and logically tagged as a representation of Jung's "wise man" archetype. This would mean that he does indeed have both good and bad qualities, abeit more bad then good. But he does fit the part well.

Anyway, that's what I think. Correct me if I'm wrong on any points (which is highly possible as I tend to ramble), and feel free to elaborate on anything as much as you want. ^^



But of course, you always have fb's brilliant Wizeman theories. XD



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OMG THE COOKIE BAKING WIZEMAN PICTURE!!! XD
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I have a thought that perhaps Wizeman was created not from being a physical human that became an all powerful, evil being but from the thoughts and minds of all us. I am not trying to be religious here but in the bible it says that man is born with impure hearts or something along those lines. That evil in our hearts could possibly pour into dreams and show us things that are rather unsettling. That evil in the hearts of all could possibly be what had created Wizeman. So, in theory we created Wizeman.

I've been doing research... and a man by the name of Griffin, Peter has found out what wiseman exactly is according to your theory...
Peter: I'm looking for some toilet training books.
Salesman: We have the popular 'everybody poops", or the less popular 'nobody poops but you'.
Peter: Well, you see, we're catholic...
Salesman: Ah, then you'll want 'you're a naughty, naughty boy, and that's concentrated evil coming out the back of you'.
WISEMAN IS FECAL MATTER!!!

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If Wizeman is fecal matter, what does that make Reala and NiGHTS? Vomit?

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Also, aside from Twin Seeds, there are 6 levels in the game. Just something to think about.

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Also, aside from Twin Seeds, there are 6 levels in the game. Just something to think about.


Yeah, I've noticed that too. And since there are 6 levels, there are 6 major marens besides Reala.

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Yeah, I've noticed that too. And since there are 6 levels, there are 6 major marens besides Reala.

Five, since Reala was one of Elliot's bosses. Unless you're counting NiGHTS as one of those other six, then you can disregard this.

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Five, since Reala was one of Elliot's bosses. Unless you're counting NiGHTS as one of those other six, then you can disregard this


True, but in JoD they do have 6 major bosses, and then Reala's kind of like a pre-boss boss? (That made no sense :()

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True, but in JoD they do have 6 major bosses, and then Reala's kind of like a pre-boss boss? (That made no sense :blink:)

Ah, that's true. Since you were talking about Twin Seeds I assumed you were talking about the first game.

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Technically, doesn't JoD have seven major bosses if you include Wizeman himself? Donbalon, Chamelan, Cerberus, Girania, Bomamba, Queen Bella, and then there's Reala and Wizeman himself. Actually more of a total of eight boss battles.

I also noticed that the battles with Reala were the only parts in the entire game in which you controlled NiGHTS while he wasn't Dualized with a Dreamer. Does that mean something?

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I also noticed that the battles with Reala were the only parts in the entire game in which you controlled NiGHTS while he wasn't Dualized with a Dreamer. Does that mean something?


He doesn't want the kids meddling with his 'personal business' :blink:




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