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The next kids in a NiGHTS game


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I've been thinking recently. I wonder what the next kids would be like if there is to be another NiGHTS game in the same reflection of NiGHTS into Dreams.

I'd want them to maybe act a little differently with the characters and the overall theme. Like instead of having one culture why not mix things up a bit. Maybe like a African kid and a Hispanic kid or an Australian kid and an Asian kid. Perhaps the sports theme could involve an extreme sport instead of your typical one. Say skateboarding or BMX. Maybe music doesn't have to play a role. Maybe art could take over music for that one game. The artistic kid could be into fan art and have drawings of some Sonic characters or other SEGA characters.

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Gagged.

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Excuse me?

lol, he means they don't say a word

I agree with your thoughts though, an artistic kid, or the child of Marissa Delbressine's "Beyond the Window". Srsly, that kid in "Beyond the Window" has way more emotional depth than Will or Helen could ever hope to convey. Those damn cut scenes..

A Van Gogh styled 'Starry Night' esque dreamscape would be insane.

Oh lol. I was like wuh? I agree with you Louis.

I'd also like to see a child similar to the one in "Beyond the Window." A child with a disability would have a deeper impact on us than Will and Helen.

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Excuse me?

lol, he means they don't say a word

I agree with your thoughts though, an artistic kid, or the child of Marissa Delbressine's "Beyond the Window". Srsly, that kid in "Beyond the Window" has way more emotional depth than Will or Helen could ever hope to convey. Those damn cut scenes..

A Van Gogh styled 'Starry Night' esque dreamscape would be insane.

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Fantastic, truly fantastic idea.

Personally I'd definitely like to see a little racial variety with the kids. Not all dreamers are white. And not just cultural difference, either... maybe we could have some different backgrounds, physical qualities, and things like that. I'd pay to see a kid with a little weight set as a leading role like that.
And I'd love to see different aspects as well-- the artistic bit you mentioned being a marvelously good idea. Plus, it would give many of us artsy fans someone to closely relate to.



I agree with your thoughts though, an artistic kid, or the child of Marissa Delbressine's "Beyond the Window". Srsly, that kid in "Beyond the Window" has way more emotional depth than Will or Helen could ever hope to convey. Those damn cut scenes..

A Van Gogh styled 'Starry Night' esque dreamscape would be insane.


I agree wholeheartedly with both those points as well. Marissa's movie was stunningly gorgeous; and that's the sort of dreamer this series can use, 100%.

And Van Gogh! Dear heavens, that man was incredible. And how perfect would 'Starry Night' be in this game?
If anything, inspirational figures like him should get a NiGHTS-style shoutout as well... not just Jung and Freud, who we all seem to recognize in the psychological depths of this beloved series.

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My own daytime musings involve a college-aged student named Aubrie who is trapped in a coma due to a violent car crash for an indefinite amount of time, wears a hospital gown and has broken bones poking out of her left arm and a broken skull that reveals unprotected brain matter. She enjoys ballet and her studies.

Oh wait, was that too specific? :blink:

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My own daytime musings involve a college-aged student named Aubrie who is trapped in a coma due to a violent car crash for an indefinite amount of time, wears a hospital gown and has broken bones poking out of her left arm and a broken skull that reveals unprotected brain matter. She enjoys ballet and her studies.

Oh wait, was that too specific? :blink:

lol No but I think that'd get a T rating or maybe higher due to a heightened sense of discomfort.

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lol No but I think that'd get a T rating or maybe higher due to a heightened sense of discomfort.

And for good reason. We need to explore Nightmare a little more, lol...maybe get to know a little bit more about NiGHTS's past since I've only created one "dreamer".

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And for good reason. We need to explore Nightmare a little more, lol...maybe get to know a little bit more about NiGHTS's past since I've only created one "dreamer".

Since you put it that way perhaps we could see a dreamer who's a dying middle aged murderer who's regretting everything he has done now that he's dying. You know cuz that's what EVERYONE does when they are about to die. So like every night he ends up in Nightmare and he sees Nightopia but he can't reach it. So maybe NiGHTS sees this "poor" guy and decides to help him out. Like NiGHTS helps him get over his past as a last wish. Of course the dreams will be filled with some sick and twisted stuff but as the game goes on maybe the dreams could get more positive. For example, the entire game is just this long night and throughout that night you play from the levels in Nightmare all the way to the levels in Nightopia.

Oh and since he's dying NiGHTS might look a little, dry, so to speak. Like he/she is gray and blackish in color when they dualize. I dunno it's just my imagination.

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Since you put it that way perhaps we could see a dreamer who's a dying middle aged murderer who's regretting everything he has done now that he's dying. You know cuz that's what EVERYONE does when they are about to die. So like every night he ends up in Nightmare and he sees Nightopia but he can't reach it. So maybe NiGHTS sees this "poor" guy and decides to help him out. Like NiGHTS helps him get over his past as a last wish. Of course the dreams will be filled with some sick and twisted stuff but as the game goes on maybe the dreams could get more positive. For example, the entire game is just this long night and throughout that night you play from the levels in Nightmare all the way to the levels in Nightopia.

Oh and since he's dying NiGHTS might look a little, dry, so to speak. Like he/she is gray and blackish in color when they dualize. I dunno it's just my imagination.


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that, um, would be over-doing it. (You're making me think of Shadow the Hedgehog...goodness gracious, enough people complain about Journey of Dreams.) Drama is something that is easily overdone, and can switch a story from appetizingly entertaining to overdramatic as quick as lightning. Though Aubrie suffers from her broken body, there's a reason it's there--if mostly for NiGHTS's character development. How quick would you be willing to save the life of someone who looked like they had no more life to save? Would he Dualize with someone even, each time, he felt his own body become broken? A story of true selflessness.

And a lot more people would be able to relate to a car crash victim than a middle-aged murderer.

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I really like the idea of having non-white kids from a different culture. Africa is probably the least-represented continent in video games and has a lot of aesthetic potential. I am also a big fan of the kids being mute.

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that, um, would be over-doing it. (You're making me think of Shadow the Hedgehog...goodness gracious, enough people complain about Journey of Dreams.) Drama is something that is easily overdone, and can switch a story from appetizingly entertaining to overdramatic as quick as lightning. Though Aubrie suffers from her broken body, there's a reason it's there--if mostly for NiGHTS's character development. How quick would you be willing to save the life of someone who looked like they had no more life to save? Would he Dualize with someone even, each time, he felt his own body become broken? A story of true selflessness.

And a lot more people would be able to relate to a car crash victim than a middle-aged murderer.


All that was from the top of my head. I was thinking about Sin City at the time. I personally would rather that be a fan made type of game or something. NiGHTS should never go the route of Shadow the Hedgehog lol and yeah more people can relate to car crashes.

I really like the idea of having non-white kids from a different culture. Africa is probably the least-represented continent in video games and has a lot of aesthetic potential. I am also a big fan of the kids being mute.

Of course. Mute kids = special and more respectable kids.

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They could intertwine the stories of past and present characters- have perspectives from child, teen, and adult characters. However, if they do just use the normal kids, again, I think that maybe it should be a bit tougher than, "my Dad's going to work more often these days!" or "I wanna' be with my friends more than my mommy right now."

Maybe more dire circumstances? But I think they portrayed the despair of the children quite well without hurting the story, but I think it might exentuate the freedom of flight and the importance of the ideas behind the ideya a bit more. No problem making it a bit darker- doesn't mean it has to be rated higher, just creates a larger contrast.

So yeah, maybe a tad more conflict with the children, without being melodramatic.

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Defiantly less candy coated, or at least less generic kids. I'd like to see the girl into sports this time. I believe gymnastics would b a win, seeing as NiGHTS is into it as well. Maybe she can be afraid of heights too, so NiGHTS can help her 'ascend' if you will.
And then the boy should should be in a band, maybe the guitarist. And he'd have mondo stage fright, but have to get over it for his friends and himself.
And if SEGA steals this idea...
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I, too, would like to see dreamers who aren't white. Also, maybe have more serious problems, like violent bullying at school or abusive parents. Also, none of this "blonde hair, blue eyes, thin as a model" nonsense. Bring me dreamers with substance!

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I, too, would like to see dreamers who aren't white. Also, maybe have more serious problems, like violent bullying at school or abusive parents. Also, none of this "blonde hair, blue eyes, thin as a model" nonsense. Bring me dreamers with substance!

In my opinion there are enough blonde haired and blue eyed video game characters such as Samus and Link as well as Cloud. Video games need more cultures than that of European and American.

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The thing about using white characters is that they're...oh, how do I put this.."benchmarks", you know?

If they put in a black dreamer because they wanted black game players to relate to that character, it's like saying: "Oh, you're black! Hey, I know someone else that's black! You guys will be BEST friends!" not considering the fact that the two individuals might be polar opposites.

I'm not trying to persuade people into believing anything. I'm just throwing it out there for consideration.

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If they put in a black dreamer because they wanted black game players to relate to that character, it's like saying: "Oh, you're black! Hey, I know someone else that's black! You guys will be BEST friends!" not considering the fact that the two individuals might be polar opposites.

Not necessarily. If they make sure to treat the dreamer like any other kid and not go "ZOMG look at how typical black/asian/[insert any minority] s/he is~" they could probably pull it off. That said, they do need to be careful so we won't have something like the Token Minority :D

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I designed two kids for a comic I'm starting. One is the child of Claris and Elliot, the other is the child of Helen and William. Jasmine, Claris and Elliot's daughter, is an extreme airboarder (Comic takes place in a futuristic city.) Who is picked on for being a tomboy and antisocial. She has had suicidal thoughts and nightmares are manifesting from them.

Something like that?

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Personally I'd like to see some age disparity. I have a story in my head (no idea if it'll hit paper X3) that involves a 20 year old college student and an 11 year old grade schooler as visitors to the Night Dimension. I think it'd be cool to see the Night Dimension from such extreme perspectives. A young adult and a child would be a great way to show this.

My idea currently has the 20 year old rediscovering her inner child (who better than NiGHTS to bring THAT out? XD) and confronting some unresolved issues that are making adjusting to college difficult. The 11 year old boy, on the other hand, is an exceptional student and multi-talented, but he feels like he's under a lot of pressure to perform from his parents and his teachers and is very afraid of ever letting them down. Despite the differences in their ages, the two have a lot in common as it turns out.

The above is just an example of what I'd like to see if this approach is ever taken. Not only do I think we'd get a great story out of it and a whole new view of Nightopia, but an older character would us older fans someone we can more easily relate to, thereby making such a game more memorable for us.

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I agree with Sage, a bit of an age difference could really make for an interesting story. You'd also have a great opportunity at working with growing up in contrast to growing into an adult. Rediscovering the inner child = <3

A concept I'm quite fond of but not entirely sure if it could work in a NiGHTS-game is "trapped in a dream". Sort of like in 9thElsewhere or Mirrormask. The Dreamer would have to finish the game to be able to wake up again, and at the same time be forced to resolve mental issues.

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I'd like the gender roles mixed up! A girl feeling insecure because she likes sports, or doesn't like girly things, or likes science or something? A guy with the same issues but likes... I dunno. Something girly? That would be interesting. Not all girls like music and not all boys like sports! I also love Sage's idea; the inner-child thing could be really sweet and lovely, and it'd be interesting to play as an adult in that situation; I think a 16 year old, and a 10 year old might work. The 16 year old is desperate to grow up, the 10 year old could help them see that there's plenty of joy in acting your age as well or something? And having different ethnicities would be great as long as they didn't insist on making an OMG huge deal of it. But it would be nice.

I think the thing is, I still want the simple storybook style story telling. I don't want them to be over-characterised, I definately don't want too much drama. It would take away from the dreamy feel of the game IMO.

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Honestly, I think that there's something incredibly charming about the nondescript, stereotypical kids featured in NiGHTS. Plus, I think that if they included blatantly DIFFERENT and DIVERSE races, it'd look like a stupid stereotype. LULZ HERES UR BLAK KID SO THAT WE DUN GET SUED

Also, I would be TOTALLY up for a T rated NiGHTS game. That would be hella awesome. I had a dreamer idea about a college-age guy, too. One of those kids who's really smart but forgets/neglects to work and starts drowning in his own procrastination. It would be really interesting to see the archetypes popping up in that guy's head, not to mention how he would personify NiGHTS.

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A Chinese kid who plays ping pong!!!! Hahahahaha! Stereotype!!

I just love ping pong so muuuuuuuch.

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I think it would be cool if there was a kid of Mayan descent who wanted to study the ruins and be an archeaologist and dreamed of Mayan type maren.

Also cool would be a girl who who had a interest in UFO/aliens. :P

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I want NO dreamers. Just NiGHTS....and maybe some candy. BUT MOSTLY NIGHTS!

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Hm, I would probably like to see some Dreamers that are more racially or culturally diverse. One idea that I have had for a while was an African American child prodigy who was having a hard time coping with pressures from her family, thus NiGHTS comes around to offer his support. Another idea would be just a kid dealing with something like isolation from his peers.

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Honestly, I think that there's something incredibly charming about the nondescript, stereotypical kids featured in NiGHTS. Plus, I think that if they included blatantly DIFFERENT and DIVERSE races, it'd look like a stupid stereotype. LULZ HERES UR BLAK KID SO THAT WE DUN GET SUED


I think it's sad that people actually notice black people enough that it sticks out as a token thing. Seriously. I disagree with this anyway; a black kid could just be put in so that the cast has more... realism, almost? I actually notice, when there's an all white cast, the absence of blacks, or asians, or whoever, not because it's 'racist' or whatever but just... 'This doesn't look right, there would be different colours in there.'

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Maybe they should have a Make Your Own Dreamer thingy, like some Tony Hawk games do...

heheh.

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Maybe they should have a Make Your Own Dreamer thingy, like some Tony Hawk games do...

heheh.


I think while it might not work for a main story mode... it could be kinda awesome for online wi-fi, couldn't it? =P

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There is SO a black kid in JoD. Of course, he goes at Will like a rabbit, but STILL! HE'S THERE!

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There is SO a black kid in JoD. Of course, he goes at Will like a rabbit, but STILL! HE'S THERE!

There's a black kid in NiD to. He was in Elliot's basketball crew.

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Could dreamers from different time periods both exist in Nightopia at once? I was thinking that, say, a child labourer from Industrial Age Britain escapes to the dream land and meets, say, an affluent modern-day American. And then you have a kind of bridge between the two worlds as the American who is discontented and whiny learns about the horrible experiences of the Industrial Age kid. Maybe too heavy-handed, but that is just one way you could implement two kids from different time periods.

And I think that they should axe the voice acting and maybe make sure that there are no on-foot levels.

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I feel the kids should be more like Claris and Elliot in the sense that they are more mentally and emotionally deep than the new kids. Also, I feel that there should be NO dialog whatsoever, as in the first game. I feel that giving JoD actual dialog was it's downfall. All those cutscenes and extra missions were unnecessary. NiGHTS is all about the chase missions. Also, what made NiD such a good game was that it made you think. Think about what everything in each dream represented, what their deeper back stories were, and what inside them was causing the problems they were having in the present. JoD just baby-fed it to the players and just defeated the whole purpose of a NiGHTS game.

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I have two characters named Antonio and Angelica, more commonly known as Tony and Genie.

Antonio is African-American, and when he was very little his psychotic uncle got drunk and shoved him out a window, ruining both his legs and putting him in a wheelchair. This sort of crushed his dream of becoming a dancer. Y'know. Just a little. Now he lives with his aunt in a modest two-story home in the suburban part of town. His aunt divorced the drunken man and now Mr. Drunken Fool is behind bars where he belongs. Tony is 16 years old.

Angelica lives in the really crappy part of town, in a broken down old hovel of an apartment where hearing that a murder DIDN'T happen the night before is cause for celebration. Her family got into a car accident when she was young, killing all but her and her older brother. She lives with him now, and now has a prosthetic right arm, and has no right eye thanks to a melting support frame of an SUV. Her brother escaped with half his spinal column gone and no left arm. He's got a fake one too. But she wanted to be a great painter, but she can't hold a paintbrush anymore thanks to her "Barbie-arm." She's 15 years old.

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I think there should be a Native American in there. Because, you know, Africans get so much attention due to the slave trade, but Native Americans suffered, too, and they are mostly forgotten in favor of other minorities. They were forced to leave their homes. Many died during their migration. :( I think they deserve a little more attention. It would be very appropriate for a NiGHTS game, too, since many Native American cultures have traditionally held dreams to be very important.

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*is late* Personally, I think that the dreamers would need to fit the whole "mysterious" aspect of NiGHTS. Nightopia and Nightmare are really just characteristics of the dreamer transformed into a "real" world. (Or at least a phase that the dreamer needs to go through to ultimately better themselves in the end.) Therefore, the dreamers shouldn't be restricted to a physical form (maybe a monochromatic outline/wireframe at the most). Throughout the game, their forms would gain a solid structure as they gain Ideya and grow (the background story for each character is nice, but it's the growing phase to overcome their troubles that is represented in the actual game), but they would never reach a "100%" level of existence in their dreams. They would be characterized by their traits and their progress throughout the game (everybody would be able to interpret the character in a different way, much like how people interpret NiGHTS's gender).

Different cultures/backgrounds are worthless since the self-development is supposed to be a universal appeal that applies to many people. A person involved in a car crash could be interesting based on how they develop, but an elderly woman can also develop and be interesting (so there doesn't need to be a gritty background for somebody to develop).

In short, the characters shouldn't need a face for us to identify them. Kind of similar to reading a book without illustrations; you can get a general idea of what they are, but you build their appearance based on your own interpretations.

In short short, YAY FANART.

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I think the characters should have abit more of a "past" ya know? like a certain evnet in his/her lifetime that gives him/her a certain fear for example... also I would like some more personality in the characters... being as in the game they are all timid innocent children... why not someone uptight, or happy-go-lucky for a change?

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I'd like to see TRiPPY and DiGi as the next dream-kids, but I know that's not going to happen in a million years. XDDD

I agree with Birdy; I wanna see a female gymnist. ^_^ Or maybe a tough girl who plays lacrosse and ignores her feminine side, giving her self-confidence issues in the realm of dating since all the guys are terrified of her.

I also wanna see a boy painter who gets bullied by his peers for being 'girly', and is faced with the choice of continuing to be bullied or folding to peer pressure and giving up what he loves. And maybe NiGHTS can help him find a way to both keep painting and be accepted socially.

I'd also like to see lacrosse-chick and painter-boy hook up by the end of the game in a cliche sappy-happy 'they lived happily ever after' way. XDDD

Also, I second the notion of Make-A-Dreamer for Wi-Fi things. 8DDD




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