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Selph...
#1
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:06 AM
#2
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:11 AM
#3
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:14 AM
#4
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:27 AM
#5
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:37 AM
#6
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:43 AM
#7
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:46 AM
No seriously, I would like Selph to have been a real boss. Maybe a he is some kind of mirror. I don't know. Would be nice to see it though.
#8
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:50 AM
#9
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:58 AM
#10
Posted 27 April 2007 - 03:08 AM
#11
Posted 27 April 2007 - 03:12 AM
Yami, I actually had a similar theory about that. I thought maybe there was a doppleganger NiGHTS that you were to fight and instead they just had a second NiGHTS fight with you in the boss fight. He/she/it had a theme song and everything, so I figure maybe it really was a fight, though, not just a code for a project.
I know TRiPPY put in her audio section that Know Thyself is the deleted boss battle music, but I am unaware of where she got that info from. Where does it say that? It doesn't look like it is said on the CD cover thing. Did she translate something? I would really like to know.
But it is ture, that song does make it seem like there was another battle. Or maybe optional music that they decided to replace with another. Well, TRiPPY usually knows what she is talking about so I think I can belive her.
I mainly thought that because it has NiGHTS's melody all over it. Everyone else has their own unique songs.
Maybe it was a song they were going to put in Twin Seeds but decided on a different one? Or maybe it was a battle beteen Clairs and Elliot as NiGHTS for no real reason. Kinda like how Sonic and Blaze fought each other in Sonic Rush....
#12
Posted 27 April 2007 - 03:54 AM
Exactly who or what is Selph?
#13
Posted 27 April 2007 - 04:03 AM
Uhh... Stupid question, but please indulge the newbie.
Exactly who or what is Selph?
Selph was a nightmaren that was left out of the first game. Had boss fight music and everything. I don't know a lot of details, but either there weren't any designs or they weren't released, because no one knows who or what it is or what it looks like and such.
#14
Posted 27 April 2007 - 04:05 AM
Uhh... Stupid question, but please indulge the newbie.
Exactly who or what is Selph?
Well, from what I know, Selph was a boss Nightmaren that was taken from the game before it was released. He/she/it had the same theme as NiGHTS, but it was a bit more stately. I'm guessing that he was a Nightmaren that looked like NiGHTS, Reala, and Jackle, at least being that he was humanish. But that's all that's really known...
#15
Posted 27 April 2007 - 04:27 AM
So, isn't it concievable that Selph could've been like an "anti-Claris" or an "anti-Eliot"? The theme would still fit, I should think. Just a thought.
#16
Posted 27 April 2007 - 04:38 AM
#17
Posted 27 April 2007 - 04:51 AM
Segaperson: Agh! We haven't finished this next level yet!
Segaperson2: Well, we need to release NiGHTS NOW!
Segaperson: We'll just have to cut it and the boss...
Segaperson2: Who was the boss?
Segaperson: Selph.
BAM. XD
But seriously...
Maybe Wizeman thought Selph was too powerful and locked him away to keep him from doing the same thing NiGHTS did?
#18
Posted 27 April 2007 - 04:59 AM
I think the mystery of Selph plays out like this...
Segaperson: Agh! We haven't finished this next level yet!
Segaperson2: Well, we need to release NiGHTS NOW!
Segaperson: We'll just have to cut it and the boss...
Segaperson2: Who was the boss?
Segaperson: Selph.
BAM. XD
But seriously...
Maybe Wizeman thought Selph was too powerful and locked him away to keep him from doing the same thing NiGHTS did?
I bet that is how things work in Sega or any game company. lol Oh the life of programming must really stink!
#19
Posted 27 April 2007 - 05:12 AM
Might be interesting if he/she was super powerful and was locked away. Oooh maybe it could even be a secret unlockable optional boss for the last level.
#20
Posted 27 April 2007 - 05:21 AM
Ugh yeah. It would be neat to if the programmers had maybe slipped in hints about Selph's appearance or identity. Although who knows maybe they did and we just don't know it.
Might be interesting if he/she was super powerful and was locked away. Oooh maybe it could even be a secret unlockable optional boss for the last level.
*sigh* So you're basically saying...Extra Boss?
Can you say: "Last Story?"
Reala: OMG NiGHTS TOGETHER WE CAN USE THE IDEYA EMERALDZ!!!11
NiGHTS: WE'LL SHOW HIM the TRUE POWER OF TEAMWORK!1!!1
*crappy rock theme*
Then NiGHTS and Reala turn gold and silver. Then, every NiGHTS fan on the face of the Earth becomes one and destroys SEGA of USA.
#21
Posted 27 April 2007 - 05:24 AM
*sigh* So you're basically saying...Extra Boss?
Can you say: "Last Story?"
Reala: OMG NiGHTS TOGETHER WE CAN USE THE IDEYA EMERALDZ!!!11
NiGHTS: WE'LL SHOW HIM the TRUE POWER OF TEAMWORK!1!!1
*crappy rock theme*
Then NiGHTS and Reala turn gold and silver. Then, every NiGHTS fan on the face of the Earth becomes one and destroys SEGA of USA.
Oh god I can't hold in my laughter. Oh Sega my dear please don't. Yes, the day Reala and NiGHTS unite as one is the very day the fans will as well.
Unlockables...I would like to see an unlockable system similar to Christmas NiGHTS though. That was pretty good. Nice features too.
#22
Posted 27 April 2007 - 05:28 AM
Just the thought of brothers putting aside their differences to save both the worlds of Nightopia and Nightmare...*sniffle* I think...I think I'm gonna cry...
NiGHTS: I love you man.
Reala: Don't touch me.
#23
Posted 27 April 2007 - 05:29 AM
*sigh* So you're basically saying...Extra Boss?
Can you say: "Last Story?"
Reala: OMG NiGHTS TOGETHER WE CAN USE THE IDEYA EMERALDZ!!!11
NiGHTS: WE'LL SHOW HIM the TRUE POWER OF TEAMWORK!1!!1
*crappy rock theme*
Then NiGHTS and Reala turn gold and silver. Then, every NiGHTS fan on the face of the Earth becomes one and destroys SEGA of USA.
LOL omg yeah I hadn't thought of that! That would be awful. XD
#24
Posted 27 April 2007 - 05:53 AM
Agreed.*sigh* So you're basically saying...Extra Boss?
Can you say: "Last Story?"
Reala: OMG NiGHTS TOGETHER WE CAN USE THE IDEYA EMERALDZ!!!11
NiGHTS: WE'LL SHOW HIM the TRUE POWER OF TEAMWORK!1!!1
*crappy rock theme*
Then NiGHTS and Reala turn gold and silver. Then, every NiGHTS fan on the face of the Earth becomes one and destroys SEGA of USA.
But what if they went that route with the Dreamers? You know, without the crappy writing and the worse music?
If you think back to the last few moments of the original game, a key part of the finale was how Claris and Eliot freed NiGHTS and defeated Wizeman through a joint effort. I'd like to see that teamwork/friendship aspect come back for the sequel. In fact, if you think back to my theory on Selph -- that he's a Dreamer's evil mirror image -- this approach could be very effective.
But only for the Dreamers. NiGHTS and Reala should be like Mario and Bowser. Like Sonic and Eggman. Like Inuyasha and Sesshomaru.
#25
Posted 27 April 2007 - 05:56 AM
Agreed.
But what if they went that route with the Dreamers? You know, without the crappy writing and the worse music?
If you think back to the last few moments of the original game, a key part of the finale was how Claris and Eliot freed NiGHTS and defeated Wizeman through a joint effort. I'd like to see that teamwork/friendship aspect come back for the sequel. In fact, if you think back to my theory on Selph -- that he's a Dreamer's evil mirror image -- this approach could be very effective.
But only for the Dreamers. NiGHTS and Reala should be like Mario and Bowser. Like Sonic and Eggman. Like Inuyasha and Sesshomaru.
All of those people have worked together (Mario and Bowser in Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga; Sonic and Eggman in pretty much every new Sonic game; Inuyasha and Sesshomaru in the third movie)
#26
Posted 27 April 2007 - 06:24 AM
Agreed.
But what if they went that route with the Dreamers? You know, without the crappy writing and the worse music?
If you think back to the last few moments of the original game, a key part of the finale was how Claris and Eliot freed NiGHTS and defeated Wizeman through a joint effort. I'd like to see that teamwork/friendship aspect come back for the sequel. In fact, if you think back to my theory on Selph -- that he's a Dreamer's evil mirror image -- this approach could be very effective.
But only for the Dreamers. NiGHTS and Reala should be like Mario and Bowser. Like Sonic and Eggman. Like Inuyasha and Sesshomaru.
For the dreamer thing I do agree. As long as I don't see super sayian stuff.
For the NiGHTS and Reala, I don't know but I guess it could work. It will take away from Reala looking like a bad guy just a tad though. That is how I feel about the Sonic and Eggman thing. Eggman is seeming to be less and less of a badguy now because they make him work with Sonic all the time. He is starting to seem more like a crazy genious who starts trouble...but then bits more than he can chew and wants out of it. I want Reala to be portrayed as a better villian than that.
Oh wait this is the Selph topic. About Selph...who knows. Maybe it will be another whole, "I am the true villian here" thing. Maybe not. I tend to always think of Selph as being something that means battling yourself or counterpart. Wait...that sounds a little like Reala. Hey! Reala's music had NiGHTS theme in it too. What if KnowThyself was optional music for Reala. Oh wait....now I get it. Thyself...HA...ok nevermind. I have been drinking too much vault.
#27
Posted 27 April 2007 - 09:24 AM
Selph and Reala (Self and Reality) match each other much better than Jackle and Reala.
Jackle being the wild card as it was, would also fit with him being fought by either or both of the children...
As for this game... yar, I'd be interested in seeing this Selph character, but I wouldn't be too pushed if they completely omitted him either.
#28
Posted 27 April 2007 - 10:03 AM
As for this game... yar, I'd be interested in seeing this Selph character, but I wouldn't be too pushed if they completely omitted him either.
True. I wonder if they even remember. O.O
#29
Posted 27 April 2007 - 11:28 AM
Yami, I actually had a similar theory about that. I thought maybe there was a doppleganger NiGHTS that you were to fight and instead they just had a second NiGHTS fight with you in the boss fight. He/she/it had a theme song and everything, so I figure maybe it really was a fight, though, not just a code for a project.
Hmm...I use to think (and still do, to some degree) that Selph was a Doppleganger that you have to/had to fight in the original concept. Then, they scrapped that because Reala was already in there (or Reala was inserted later). Still, I think Selph will appear in the new game (maybe in 2-player )!
#30
Posted 27 April 2007 - 12:04 PM
#31
Posted 27 April 2007 - 12:37 PM
#32
Posted 28 April 2007 - 01:16 AM
I always thought of Selph as in yourself, a U.V NiGHTS maybe x3 *Imagines*
That's what I was thinking too! XD Think of it: sure, Selph could be the anti-dreamer, and whoever our playable dreamers are have to overcome their own darkness to ultimately save the day.
But what about NiGHTS? After everything TRiPPY's written, one must remember the NiGHTS has his own story to tell. Should he be the one to face Selph, he may have to face his dark Maren side once again. It's a crazy ideya, but thinking of the chance that TRiPPY's designs might've been floating through Sega..!
#33
Posted 28 April 2007 - 01:26 AM
#34
Posted 28 April 2007 - 01:31 AM
I know TRiPPY put in her audio section that Know Thyself is the deleted boss battle music, but I am unaware of where she got that info from. Where does it say that? It doesn't look like it is said on the CD cover thing. Did she translate something? I would really like to know.
I'm pretty sure she found out through Sonic-CulT. Because I remember this one topic where they found the name, and I guess they found the music too.
#35
Posted 28 April 2007 - 02:58 PM
*crappy emo theme*
#36
Posted 28 April 2007 - 05:47 PM
The concept of NiGHTS and Reala setting aside their differences... is a little hard to believe, though. In theory, Reala is the realistic, cynical side of dreaming and NiGHTS the fantastical and impossible. To blend, in essence, reality and fantasy...? I'm not sure how that'd work. o.o
But back on topic! Selph. Y'know, I don't even know where the knowledge of him came from. XD I'm going to assume it was somewhere in the Japanese setup (read: box, information, something, or just by guessing from the music). Though SEGA cutting him from the game for lack of time is plausible, it's also possible that they just... couldn't think of a design for him, seeing as we have nothing of the sort to look at. o_o ...And I don't know why I keep getting an image of a light teal/aqua coloured humaren when I think of Selph. o____o;;;
#37
Posted 28 April 2007 - 06:53 PM
I wasn't aware that dreams had a "realistic, cynical side."Ohgod, please no. xD SEGA, if you make NiGHTS emo, I will hunt you down. D:!
The concept of NiGHTS and Reala setting aside their differences... is a little hard to believe, though. In theory, Reala is the realistic, cynical side of dreaming and NiGHTS the fantastical and impossible. To blend, in essence, reality and fantasy...? I'm not sure how that'd work. o.o
No, no. I like the idea of the Dreamers finding courage to deal with their real-life fears, as they did in the original game, and I like the idea of the Dreamers flying solo to save NiGHTS as they also did in NiD. But the Dreamers fighting on their own? Nuh-uh.That is nice. Like it said "self" as in "Selph" its like the kids have to overcome their own nightmares, but without NiGHTS. Like NiGHTS is with reala duking it out and the kids....have to fight their inner darkness selves...alone.....
*crappy emo theme*
They never had to take on enemies in Twin Seeds. They couldn't even paraloop, for crying out loud! There's no way they could stand on their own against Nightmaren. The only way they might be able to defeat Nightmaren is through positive thinking, and that's a terrible cliche for the writers to resort to.
Here's a thought: What if Selph is actually two Nightmaren? One representing an anti-Claris and one representing an Anti-Elliot. So, this battle would actually be a two-on-one against NiGHTS. That would be an interesting challenge, no?
#38
Posted 28 April 2007 - 07:09 PM
I wasn't aware that dreams had a "realistic, cynical side."
I suppose what I meant was the side more oriented toward the negative and that draws on reality more than on our desires and fantasies. It's... difficult to word, really. Does that make any more sense? (I'm also drawing on the fact that his name sounds very similar to "real" and "reality")
#39
Posted 28 April 2007 - 07:58 PM
..I'm rambling. .__.
#40
Posted 28 April 2007 - 08:10 PM
Reala also has a checkerboard pattern in his throne room. Keys here being checkerboard (patterened, specific, tactical) and throne (ruling, tyranny, monarchy).
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