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The Persona Mask is what allows NiGHTS to transform into his alternate forms, correct? You find the three personas separate from one another as you progress through the game, but it was my belief that they were all absorbed into the one mask from Wizeman. How is it that NiGHTS can use these personas when he refuses to wear the mask? I mean, before the final battle, he clearly throws the thing away, so I forgot to use it and lost when I first battled Wizeman. XD

So are all of the personas absorbed into the mask that represents loyalty to Wizeman, or are the three personas separate masks? I understand that it's a game. Heck, it's a game about dreams. I'm just curious to see whether or not I'm completely wrong, or just thinking too hard about a video game where just about anything is possible. :mellow:

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Since you obtain the different Personas from seperate treasure chests at the end of each level, I would assume that they are different masks...

Also, I haven't beaten Helen's story yet, but wasn't NiGHTS wearing a Persona mask (or something like it) in some Crystal Castle cutscenes?

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Since you obtain the different Personas from seperate treasure chests at the end of each level, I would assume that they are different masks...

Also, I haven't beaten Helen's story yet, but wasn't NiGHTS wearing a Persona mask (or something like it) in some Crystal Castle cutscenes?

Yeah, but Helen questions him and he takes it off. If the others are separate masks, where did they come from? Did Wizeman create those persona masks, too? Are there any special properties to the golden one other than the loyalty it represents? There are lots of things I'm curious about regarding them.

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Well, if you look when you first get the persona masks, they're all different. So I assume they're seperate....

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Yeah, they're all completely different. If I remember correctly the rocket one was a tall clunky crazy thing that should never be worn on the face of ANYONE. So I think they're different masks that he whips out and puts on his face when he needs them.

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If that's true... Where does he keep them? I doubt those skin tight spandex pants of his have pockets quite that large.

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If that's true... Where does he keep them? I doubt those skin tight spandex pants of his have pockets quite that large.


Dream logic. It doesn't have to make sense.

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Yeah, it doesn't have to make sense, I think. I mean hey, where does he keep the other one when he's not wearing it (or throwing it away)? Why do cartoons whip mallets out from behind their backs? XD If everything made sense, nothing would be fun anymore. ^_^

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NiGHTS should wear all three on his face at once. *nod nod*

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That is true. My dreams never make sense. As I've mentioned in another thread, I've seen certain people end up as turkeys. Cyclops turkeys. *cough*

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That is true. My dreams never make sense. As I've mentioned in another thread, I've seen certain people end up as turkeys. Cyclops turkeys. *cough*

That should be one of NiGHTS' personas. Cyclops turkey NiGHTS can fire optic blasts at Nightmaren from a distance!

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If that's true... Where does he keep them? I doubt those skin tight spandex pants of his have pockets quite that large.


Well, Link manages to have bombs, a bow, arrows, a grappling hook, a slingshot with ammo, several glass bottles filled with various potions, a boomerang, AND a sword and shield on him at all times, so to say that NiGHTS can carry around a few masks isn't too much of a longshot.

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Well, Link manages to have bombs, a bow, arrows, a grappling hook, a slingshot with ammo, several glass bottles filled with various potions, a boomerang, AND a sword and shield on him at all times, so to say that NiGHTS can carry around a few masks isn't too much of a longshot.

True, but in the LoZ cartoon they explain that away as Link having a special magical pouch to hold infinite items in. But it is basically the same principle. It's the "Don't-Question-What-Doesn't-Make-Sense" Theorem.

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It's nothing really to speculate over, or try to explain. It's a common technique used in cartoons and comics, known as "Hammerspace or a Magic Satchel"

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Again, don't question what doesn't make sense. It's a video game, and we're over-analyzing some little detail that Sega seemed to overlook. Oh well. Doesn't make the game any less kickass-ish.

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So now that we know that NiGHTS has hammer space, where do you suppose the masks themselves came from? I know there is no definite answer and that this is all speculation, but I found that the masks were so interesting, yet completely overlooked in the story.

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True, but in the LoZ cartoon they explain that away as Link having a special magical pouch to hold infinite items in. But it is basically the same principle. It's the "Don't-Question-What-Doesn't-Make-Sense" Theorem.

I'm pretty sure the cartoon wasn't canon, but, hey, that explanation works.

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So now that we know that NiGHTS has hammer space, where do you suppose the masks themselves came from? I know there is no definite answer and that this is all speculation, but I found that the masks were so interesting, yet completely overlooked in the story.


I guess it's just another one of those random, yet useful inventory items. Like the Chicken Gun from Shadow the Hedgehog. I know it has another name, but I don't remember it and frankly it's more fun to call it the Chicken Gun. Hilarious weapon. Extremely useful. Not looked into in the storyline.

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I don't really know. Good question.

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I guess it's just another one of those random, yet useful inventory items. Like the Chicken Gun from Shadow the Hedgehog. I know it has another name, but I don't remember it and frankly it's more fun to call it the Chicken Gun. Hilarious weapon. Extremely useful. Not looked into in the storyline.

Maybe, but the chicken gun is just one gun. We're talking about a whole group of items here that become available to NiGHTS out of nowhere. Also, NiGHTS has shown natural shape shifting properties without the aid of masks in this game (rollercoaster and boat) as well as in NiD (bobsled, fish tail, etc.)

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Also, NiGHTS has shown natural shape shifting properties without the aid of masks in this game (rollercoaster and boat) as well as in NiD (bobsled, fish tail, etc.)


well maybe he's got masks for those too and just never told anyone...

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Maybe, but the chicken gun is just one gun. We're talking about a whole group of items here that become available to NiGHTS out of nowhere. Also, NiGHTS has shown natural shape shifting properties without the aid of masks in this game (rollercoaster and boat) as well as in NiD (bobsled, fish tail, etc.)

That's a very good point. My own thought on that would be that NiGHTS uses the masks when he's dualized. And when he shape shifts it seems to be that it doesnt really have any bearing on how he's affected by the world around him. But when he uses persona it changes how stuff affects him... OK so maybe that made no sense lol... >_>

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That's a very good point. My own thought on that would be that NiGHTS uses the masks when he's dualized. And when he shape shifts it seems to be that it doesnt really have any bearing on how he's affected by the world around him. But when he uses persona it changes how stuff affects him... OK so maybe that made no sense lol... >_>


No, it really didn't, but part of my job is figuring out what the hell other people are talking about. So, analyze time!

Apparently he uses the masks when he's dualized, since you never see him turn into a dragon or a dolphin when there's a kid not... merged with him. (attached? Inside? I don't know XD)

About how stuff affects him, well he can only swim as a dolphin and can't even go into the water without being a dolphin, so I assume he realizes he can't swim. Same thing with the strong winds. If he's affected by wind, I assume he realizes it. I don't think he gets blown around like an old ragdoll without realizing, "Hey. It looks like I'm being blown about by this strong wind."

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No, it really didn't, but part of my job is figuring out what the hell other people are talking about. So, analyze time!

Apparently he uses the masks when he's dualized, since you never see him turn into a dragon or a dolphin when there's a kid not... merged with him. (attached? Inside? I don't know XD)

About how stuff affects him, well he can only swim as a dolphin and can't even go into the water without being a dolphin, so I assume he realizes he can't swim. Same thing with the strong winds. If he's affected by wind, I assume he realizes it. I don't think he gets blown around like an old ragdoll without realizing, "Hey. It looks like I'm being blown about by this strong wind."

Yeah so basically morphing with a persona seems to grant new abilities whereas just morphing without persona... doesn't... lol. When he morphs in JoD without persona it's usually to provide some mode of transport for the kids (boat, rollercoaster etc).

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He stores them in his cuffs, that's why he's got no wrists. His sleeves act as storage =]

Y'know, as sad as it is to admit, it took me a couple years to realize Elliot was riding NiGHTS as a bobsled. I always figured NiGHTS was like "Ok Elliot, have fun! *BOOTS ELLIOT and goes to get a soda as Elliot screams in terror riding down the slope*"

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I always wondered why NiGHTS would willingly degrade himself and let some child ride on his back while he transformed himself into a chauffer for the kid. It just doesn't seem logical. He can fly; why would he need to transform into other forms of transportation?

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I always wondered why NiGHTS would willingly degrade himself and let some child ride on his back while he transformed himself into a chauffer for the kid. It just doesn't seem logical. He can fly; why would he need to transform into other forms of transportation?

I had never even thought of that. The only one that can be explained was the boat mission. The current was too fast to fly after the drowning Nightopians, so NiGHTS transformed into a boat (BOaTS? XD) to give himself an advantage.

As for stopping the Nightopians from crashing in Lost Park, I don't see why NiGHTS couldn't just head the train off and stop it that way. I could have done without rollercoaster NiGHTS with turbo farting action.

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I had never even thought of that. The only one that can be explained was the boat mission. The current was too fast to fly after the drowning Nightopians, so NiGHTS transformed into a boat (BOaTS? XD) to give himself an advantage.

As for stopping the Nightopians from crashing in Lost Park, I don't see why NiGHTS couldn't just head the train off and stop it that way. I could have done without rollercoaster NiGHTS with turbo farting action.


Turbo Farting Action? :lol: But you see my point, which is good.

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Turbo Farting Action? :angry: But you see my point, which is good.

Yeah. All in all, it was basically done to add variety to the missions, which they really didn't need to begin with. ^^;

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NiGHTS can fly, correct, so maybe the Mask fly near him and they are invisible :o YES IT MAKES SENCE NOW!

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Actaually, that does make sense. It's a dream, so maybe the masks are floating around him like the Ideyas did in the first game.

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Actaually, that does make sense. It's a dream, so maybe the masks are floating around him like the Ideyas did in the first game.


W00T SCORE ONE FOR ELIAS!

Yeah O_o though you never know, NiGHST can fit alot into spandex...

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I'm under the impression that it's a dream and he's actually naked, but has no body and therefore his clothes ARE his body.

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I'm under the impression that it's a dream and he's actually naked, but has no body and therefore his clothes ARE his body.


Im under alto of impressions of him =w=

Oh! wait, what if, even thouhg NiGHTS isnt holding the mask, will or Helen are the one who recive it, thus, maybe they are the ones who are holding it in there subconsious state with NiGHST O_o Ya know? sicne htey do make the same actiosn as NiGHTS does..

OH OH OH! ITS ALL OCTOPAW! HE HODLS THE MASK FOR YOU :o

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Better, it's all that shady-looking Pian in the back. You know, that one. Over there. You see him, with that smirk on his face like he knows something. You see him. It's that one, right there.

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Better, it's all that shady-looking Pian in the back. You know, that one. Over there. You see him, with that smirk on his face like he knows something. You see him. It's that one, right there.


you mean the one that follows you after getting a certain coin? that makes sence

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Actually, it was just a joke. I forgot that coin existed, actually.

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Actually, it was just a joke. I forgot that coin existed, actually.

What does that Pian do as it follows you, anyway?

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What does that Pian do as it follows you, anyway?

I alwaysed wondered that

I thought maybe if you paralooped it, it would go to your dream O_o i seriously wish i knew what he did

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What does that Pian do as it follows you, anyway?


It's supposed to gather Blue Chips for you.




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