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Yep, yep.. but it's so not fair. NiGHTS is too awesome to deserve any hate. I don't hate on games I haven't played. If I hear a game is good (which any reasonable person should realize about NiGHTS), I'll at least go with that thought, being that I haven't played said game.

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I can think of a lot of people and things that applies to..

Aaah, but hate is an art. Well, thats my nasty little opinion anyway. <_< People love to hate. No matter how good anything is, there's always gonna be someone who dislikes it whether its for a good reason or because its fun to ruffle people's feathers. Just gotta learn to tell the difference and then blow them off.

Anyway, yeah.. sucks about bad reviews. I'll see for myself when I get my copy. Woo.

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I can think of a lot of people and things that applies to..

Aaah, but hate is an art. Well, thats my nasty little opinion anyway. <_< People love to hate. No matter how good anything is, there's always gonna be someone who dislikes it whether its for a good reason or because its fun to ruffle people's feathers.

This is quite true. I've seen people hate on things, in ways that quite baffle me.

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The year is almost over and we are at our final boss: the struggle of doubt. It's like we're in a video game and, just like at the end of every game, there is the final boss that seems really really hard. In this case, our final boss personifies NeoGAF, a message board that embodies hate, chaos and sheer doubt. But we shall overcome this dark force of nightmares! When Journey of Dreams comes out, we shall immerse ourselves in the sensation of flight, the color, the blissful music, the characters, the world of Nightopia and, in place of the addicting Ideya Capture gameplay from the original, we shall find a new method of score attack to occupy us for years to come. That is how we shall be victorious at the end of the year.

Fight! For eternal fun!

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Ive been sure for some time now that it would never receive the same scores as the original. I mean, we all know NiD was groundbreaking for the time, and this game changes very little to that, and does not have the same groundbreakingly stunning graphics, for our time.

But, as long as its at least a 7, I'll be happy as I know my love of NiGHTS will take that up to 10 <_< (if its 6, it goes the other way though :o)

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what on earth is going on these days?!!! GAWD!

Some people like cars, other preffer planes, other preffer boats! others hate this, love that, blah blah blah! you get my point.

Do you play a game based on the little numbers attatched to it? huh? come on people, You know your SELF and YOUR tastes!!

If Miyamoto said Superman 64 is the best game on earth, do you have to agree with him? Yes if you want to and No if you don't! no one is forcing you! (no offense to either Miyamoto nor superman 64- a game even though many a media say is crap, some still enjoy because they actually do, and thats their opinion!)

That number you see besides a game is just an opinion from a fellow human being with his/her own tastes and opinions, who just happens to have the opportunity to put that number there for others to see and guide people if the people choose to be guided, but again, that is just his/her opinion, take it or leave it! it does not have to reflect your own! (no offense to any reviewers out there)

what sucks or tucks doesn't rely on what people say or what number is attatched to it, but what you say about it, and thats what should matter!

After all you can force a donkey all the way to the river but you can't force it to drink from it!!

Each one of us is different and has different style and opinions! that number is just ones opinion, YOU have yours too! don't let some numbers attatched to a game (physcology) dethrone your enjoyment of anything!

If they hate Nights, too bad, if they love it, too bad too; because it has nothing to do with you. You have to experience it by yourself, that's why there is that something everyone calls 'individuality'

This hyping business - love/hate thing is just getting out of hand, so what if ones hates the game etc, thats his opinion, you either like it or hate it, thats it!

Beauty (and enjoyment) is in the eyes of the beholder...

I know i seldom post and that this is a lot of ranting on my part, but thats just my opinion! take it or leave it! I'm not forcing you :D

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It's not the number scores that bother us. Our problem right now is that NeoGAF post a page back. As I said, Johnnyram seems to be one of those people who is not satisfied with this game because it does not retain the same mechanics as the original. It is a shame Sonic Team took out Ideya Capture gameplay, but the bird catching gameplay might prove to be just as addicting once we get to understand it more. There are other missions too so we'll see which ones we like the best.

The thing is, eleven years ago, we approached NiGHTS into Dreams without any expectations. It was just out of nowhere, but, as we played the game more, we got to understand it and love it for what it was. Now, with Journey of Dreams, we have expectations and very high ones at that. But the truth is Journey of Dreams is going to be a different experience, one we will have to approach in a similar manner we did the first time around. Just say in your heart that you will enjoy the game and that's that. You will notice a red glimmer of courage once you do. Now is your time to jump in and enjoy Journey of Dreams.

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there will be TONS of bad reviews and TONS of good reviews on this game. It's very difficult to go into playing it without your opinion already formed. Especially if you played the original. If you loved the original 100% for every aspect of it, you will likely be disappointed with JoD simply because it is not an exact clone. If you hated the game 100% then you will likely claim JoD guilty by association. It's the middle ground that will give good reviews, those who are open to new ideas presented in JoD that build off of NiD rather than clone it. unfortunately, those who enjoyed NiD for the past 11 years will likely have a biased opinion, so I wouldn't necisarily trust those either...
ultimately if someone writes a bad review and you think quite highly of the game before you've had a chance to play it, you are very likely to pass the reviewer off as an incompetent fool and will refuse to take their review into consideration.
So in all honesty, with such a long awaited game, you can't trust any of the reviews until you've played the game for yourself, at which point the reviews won't matter, as you will have formed your own solidified opinion of the game.

I for one do not usually completely disregard review scores, but with a game that gets reviews all across the charts.... well at this point it's obviously a matter of opinion.

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Reviews mean something, but they should be but one factor to making a purchase. A rule I like to make is to watch or look at any media that comes with a game before I read any impressions that have been written about it, so that I can create my own opinion before ingesting the ideas of others. I think that it has been effective so far.

As for this game, we must realize that the number of people who are going to appreciate this game is going to be a relatively small group of people. NiGHTS is very under-the-radar in terms of IPs, and you have to read in between the lines to see if the reviewer is the kind of person who would want to play this kind of game anyway. Would a die-hard shooter fan who fawns on Halo be as good an opinion as, say, an action game fan? You have to take the reviewer's background (if you can find it) into consideration.

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I'm going to buy the game and I'm going to enjoy it for what it is. That's all that really matters to me. It's nice to read reviews to see what other people think, but with a game like NiGHTS that seems to severely polarize peoples' opinions, it's hard to tell how much bias there is.

So, I think I'll stop reading reviews for now. I don't want it to taint my experience. I know I'm going to enjoy playing the game whether or not it's 'good' or 'bad'. It's the new NiGHTS that we've been hopelessly waiting YEARS for. I'm just glad it's getting another go-around at all. Who knows, if this game sells decently well, maybe there will eventually be another one even better. For now, we can't do anything about JoD's success except cheer it on. The quality of the story, graphics, etc are all set in stone, hell they were never really under our control at all. So just relax and enjoy the game. :3

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Reviews never stand in my way of getting what I truly desire. The only thing that actually holding me back from playing the game is the shortages of Wiis. It's a sad tale for this gamer and many gamers alike. Images like these disturb me terribly:

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But anyway on a brighter note I hear Nintendo Power has given the game a stunning 9.0 :D

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Would a die-hard shooter fan who fawns on Halo be as good an opinion as, say, an action game fan? You have to take the reviewer's background (if you can find it) into consideration.

This also applies to people like me who don't really care about shooter games and are more interested in colorful surreal platformers. There is a best of the genre, but there really is no best game ever. Otherwise we wouldn't have need for any other genre. If you're a shooter fan then obviously something like Halo would be the "best game ever" when it's simply best of the genre. There is also best of the franchise. I could say Sonic 3 & Knuckles, for instance, is the best game ever when it's only best of the Sonic franchise. But if I'm primarily a Sonic fan then obviously Sonic 3&K might as well be the best game ever.

NiGHTS, on the other hand, is really a genre of its own. It's a score attack game but the core gameplay is like none other game. It's only a platformer when you're playing as the kids, but other than that, it's a 2D flying game. While Journey of Dreams clearly retains the core "2D flying" gameplay, it's method of score attacking seems very different. This makes the game even more different than most other games, even different from the original NiGHTS. That's why I welcome Journey of Dreams as its own game. Now it just has to be fun.

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Completely off topic, but what's up with the NeoGAF hate? The people giving the impressions there are the exact same people who hyped it, loved it at TGS and couldn't wait for it. Speaks volumes if these people can't stand the final. Besides, GAF is very industry based etc, good stuff there.

On topic, how are Nintendo power reviews on the whole? I swear I remember people going on about how unreliable they were in that past, but I'm not quite sure.

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yeah, on Louis' note, lets get back on topic. We don't need any "I have a NiGHTS dream!" speeches about how all NiGHTS fans are created equal and those who disagree are not.

On topic, yeah, how are other reviews looking?

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yeah, on Louis' note, lets get back on topic. We don't need any "I have a NiGHTS dream!" speeches about how all NiGHTS fans are created equal and those who disagree are not.

On topic, yeah, how are other reviews looking?

Average to superb :D I haven't seen a bad review yet then again I can barely find a review that I haven't look at yet at all.

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I have no qualms with negative reviews. Every trustworthy review source I've seen (see: those that judge based on facts and put opinions, such as those regarding the voices, aside) cites the same pros and cons. The overall opinion for those reviews seem to depend heavily on how much weight they put on each individual pro (mainly atmosphere, music, and gameplay) and con (controls, etc).

It's when people go all "blargh NiGHTS female british voice -21 points" or "lolz not realistic" that make me sigh. Or when they cite no reasons at all. I like to think of myself as open-minded, so I like to hear the other side as well. But nobody has really looked down on NiGHTS legitimately yet. We'll see as time goes by, I guess. But we in the States have four days until we can make our own judgments.

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Just one more thing I want to say. I admire Sonic Team for their courageous effort. I have not seen this side of Sonic Team in a long, long time. Their effort is just what NiGHTS embodies; courage. Considering this game might sell poorly, will not appeal to today's mainstream audience, how long-time fans will receive the new gameplay features and even the time they had to polish it, this act of courage alone makes me admire the game even more. It even looks good in its physical form. The flight looks very smooth, the graphics are colorful, the music is orchestrated, the voices don't sound too bad (though NiGHTS himself could use work), you can still score link combos, you have multiple controller options to use as you please, and who knows what else the game has to offer. Perhaps my expectations are also too high, but I know it will be fun, interesting at least.

I too will reserve my judgement until four days from now. Maybe it'll be good, maybe it'll suck, but it should be interesting no less. I have the courage to jump in and try it. Do you?

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Yeah, NiGHTS could use some work, but it's really hard assigning a voice to an androgynous being. ^^; *smacks brain for being so tired and making pointless observations* We luff him anyway, right? ^^;;;;;

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Most of this looks OK now, apart from the unrendered cut scenes with amateurish voice acting. Honestly they're just hideous too look at and a real let down.

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SO YEAH ABOUT THOSE REVIEWS- :D ;) :D :D

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I'm sorry guys, but in my opinion score does matter. To a certain extent. If a game has some fundamental flaws, then it is going to detract from your level of enjoyment, no matter how much you want to enjoy the game! You'd be much happier if you saw 10s all across the board than, say, 6s, no matter how much you want to like the game or feel that your opinion differs. A good game is a good game, and I feel that taste only comes into it when theres a decision required, i.e. when the game scores 7, and you need to decide, if its a 7 for you, or not. For everyone here Nights will score higher than the reviews it gets, because you love NiGHTs. But would you not rather want the score to be 10 to begin with, so you can add points to that.

I'm not trying to be different here, I just want this game to be as good as the original, and I fear that this won't happen. As the person earlier said, the original took us by suprise, this one has quite the battle to fight, with a team that is not as good as with the original.

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*grabs her loonie and throws it on the table*

Yep. I'm going to go off on a long tangent about scores, games, and personal opinion...

Alright. So yeah, scores do influence my decision and so do people talking about it. Word of mouth is one of the best ways of getting things out and around, it's been proven. Now about NiGHTS, I've not met anyone who was a fan (or so I think, no hints anyways), in fact I wasn't a fan until roughly two months ago or something like that. If you'd have told me about it way back when I'm not even sure I would've understood or liked it. I'm having problems even figuring why I like it nowadays! ;) (Being a crazy artist/writer/geek might do something about that though)

Now, with the reviews they seem to be either very high or very low right now. I haven't seen any mediocre scores yet myself, so I'm going based on this polarity that seems to be going on. There will always be games that get great ratings from one source but horrible ratings from another. It really all depends on personal opinion. For example, Nintendo Power (who I personally trust to make good judgments on games, from my personal experience they really do make good judgments) posted a review a while back on Drawn To Life, a DS game I was getting very hyped for. They gave it something like a 6 saying that it wouldn't appeal to most people who don't like to draw. I bought the game and test-drove it out on one of my friends who is more an author/gamer (he doesn't draw...) and he said the game was actually really innovative and quite good.

Just kind of proves a point. NiGHTS is a very specific game that was [attempted to be] made for a very general audience. Journey of Dreams seems to be following in the same footsteps. And not everyone is going to like it. Some people are going to shun it but I believe that those who pick it up and really try to get into it will find a pleasant surprise. If you're expecting perfection prepare to be disappointed. I pick up every game with a grain of salt nowadays, it's not like when I was really little and I could pick up a game and love it from the start. No game is perfect. Journey of Dreams will be no exception. And then there's the whole thing about comparing it to NiD. It's some of the same characters, it's the same world, but there are many different characters and many different dreams. It's a different game for a different decade and a different generation as the target. It won't be the same as NiD and some people have to realize that. But I think it will still do well if people realize that it will never be perfect but this is what came out of a lot of work, a lot of blood, sweat, and tears. And I think that Journey of Dreams is going to be a good game. I'm not expecting perfection. (Hey I never wanted to play Super Paper Mario at first 'cause I was expecting the same as TTYD which I never finished and hated, ha ha, that was really stupid of me ._.)

In short, after writing this essay (that's what it feels like, arrgh, longestpostever), I just want to say that you gotta choose whether or not to expect everything and get a great game but hate it because it's not perfect, or pick it up with a grain of salt and like it or hate it.

And if JoD turns out to suck disregard everything I said above. :D;

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Well said.

As I said in the NiGHTS IRC, we really shouldn't let it bother us. Roam would back me up on this. Sure, Johnnyram brought up some legitimate flaws, but to be frank, they don't seem to be that major. One man's game-breaking flaw could be another man's minor imperfection.

A deal breaker for a lot of people seems to be the bird chasing. Sure I'd rather have the Ideya Capture gameplay, but the bird chasing might be fun too. Besides, if I want more Ideya Capture gameplay, I could always just play the original NiGHTS. The game already perfected it anyway, so why not. There are also other missions so I'll see what that's about.

Plus, I might like some of that "unnecessary stuff" Johnnyram mentioned. I'll be cautious though. I know Sonic Team's handling of unnecesarry stuff so I'll be on the look out for any useless junk that hinders the game. It might not be too bad if it's optional or you don't have to play through it again. It depends really.

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Just one more thing I want to say. I admire Sonic Team for their courageous effort. I have not seen this side of Sonic Team in a long, long time. Their effort is just what NiGHTS embodies; courage. Considering this game might sell poorly, will not appeal to today's mainstream audience, how long-time fans will receive the new gameplay features and even the time they had to polish it, this act of courage alone makes me admire the game even more.

I too will reserve my judgement until four days from now. Maybe it'll be good, maybe it'll suck, but it should be interesting no less. I have the courage to jump in and try it. Do you?


Amen to that!

I'm sorry guys, but in my opinion score does matter. To a certain extent. If a game has some fundamental flaws, then it is going to detract from your level of enjoyment, no matter how much you want to enjoy the game! You'd be much happier if you saw 10s all across the board than, say, 6s, no matter how much you want to like the game or feel that your opinion differs.


I agree, but still I think it shouldn't influence your enjoyment! :D

Alright. So yeah, scores do influence my decision and so do people talking about it. Word of mouth is one of the best ways of getting things out and around, it's been proven.

In short, after writing this essay (that's what it feels like, arrgh, longestpostever), I just want to say that you gotta choose whether or not to expect everything and get a great game but hate it because it's not perfect, or pick it up with a grain of salt and like it or hate it.

And if JoD turns out to suck disregard everything I said above. ^_^;


with less grains of sugar too if I may add! :D

anyways...where my manners? (waves and says Hi to all) :D

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For all of you waiting on the reviews, it looks like the game will not get anything above a 7 on IGN, as it seems that the senior Nintendo editors are still hating the game, according to the podcast. Well, not hating it, but calling it extremely mechanical and, I quote: "It could be done with a d-pad."

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It's just like the first NiGHTS over again. Dedicated console magazines/websites loved it, where multiplatform magazines hated it.

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For all of you waiting on the reviews, it looks like the game will not get anything above a 7 on IGN, as it seems that the senior Nintendo editors are still hating the game, according to the podcast.

Senior Nintendo editors at... IGN? I don't recall them ever hating it except Matty C. who was only making fun of the early screenshots. I'll go listen to their podcast. From what I've seen, it doesn't seem mechanical at all. It seems quite smooth and stays true to the original's sensation of 2D flight.

But hey, if it gets anything below 7, well... life can bite you in the ass like that. I will say it again: number scores are never a true indication of game quality. It's what's contained within the review. Be careful because many game review outlets will mark the game down for things you might like. I can almost assure you that, for example, many reviewers will mark the game down for its simplicity when that's what you admire about NiGHTS. Just be careful.

EDIT: Now I understand what's going on. It's just like all those comparisons with Super Mario 64 back in the day. See, back then, NiGHTS and Mario 64 had a different sensation of flight. While NiGHTS flew on a 2D plane, the wing cap in Mario 64 allowed you to fly in full 3D. It's just like that today. While Mario Galaxy provides a full 3D sensation of flight with the red star power-up, Journey of Dreams still has you fly on a 2D plane. That's why it felt "mechanical" in comparison to Mario Galaxy, hence the comparison in the podcast.

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It's just like the first NiGHTS over again. Dedicated console magazines/websites loved it, where multiplatform magazines hated it.

Not GamePro! 5 out of 5! (the first game.. they didn't review JoD yet)

If Game Players had a review, I can't remember for sure, it might not have been so positive. But they dead.

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Well, now 1Up has their review up. They give the game a 7, but reading further in makes it seem much better than that. They say that the gameplay is "addicting, engaging, finesse-driven, rewarding, and skill-based." The main things that they hit the game for are presentation (cutscenes), kid levels, graphical inconsistency, and the way the final boss battle works.

They love the music and the gameplay and most of the graphics, and these are the essence of what NiGHTS is. So, no matter what the score says, (and 7 is not bad) I consider this almost a rousing endorsement for the game. Linkage can be found here.

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Hmm... not bad. It seems 1UP lists more cons than pros, yet it got a 7.0 (Good). I know I said many times that number scores are not a true indication of game quality, but this might go to show that the problems in this game are not as bad a they are made out to be. Even the cut-scene we saw at GameSpot wasn't that bad. Now I'm confused.

I really need to play the game soon. It just sucks that I live in the East Coast so we receive shipments pretty late. *Mumble grumble...*

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  • Interests:I like NiGHTS, Sonic games, the Nightmare Before Christmas (I wonder what would happen if Oogie and Reala met... hmmmm.....) Writing, drawing, art in any way, shape, or form, hard rock music, dancing wildly even though I can't dance for crap. I write poetry and lyrics (although they're not very good T__T) and comedy movies. I love the Dreamcast podcast that DiGi and TRiPPY put on. I also enjoy thinking outside the box. I'm what is known as a Meathead. I can laugh at myself, think outside the box, and smile. Meatheads are smarter than your average Joe, with much more common sense and the rare ability to find creative solutions to problems. My idol is a man named Jimmy Dolittle. Look him up ^.~
Personally, I am going to love this game no matter what scores it gets. NiGHTS all the way, doods!

I just reserved the game today, and got the free DVD. Man, for a DVD of behind-the-scenes looks at NiGHTS, it's a fairly boring DVD...




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