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#1
Posted 26 April 2007 - 07:45 PM
The graphics dont always make a game, but lets face it, NiGHTS MUST look pretty decent. Even on the wii, blocky character models and pixelated environments just dont have to occur.
My theory is that what we see now, even though its devoid of the goodies like items and Ideya captures, is essentially Dreamcast era placeholders (canceled Air NiGHTS). Im not a graphics %$£! as it were, but I also know the wii is MORE than capable of making at least NiGHTS himself look decently rounded and detailed. The environments are quite nice, but I really think Sega can do better than this, and Im hoping they do. Simply because a NiGHTS game should make the best use of the hardware its on in all aspects and be as beautiful as possible. Im all for optimizing graphics to prevent slow framerate as that would KILL a NiGHTS game, but the Wii is also capable of Sonic ATSR visuals. Cant NiGHTS at least look THAT good? I know its possible. you all know its possible. What makes me worry about this in particular is the fact that there really isnt much more time to tweak things before this game is released. Thoughts?
#2
Posted 26 April 2007 - 07:58 PM
When I see it running I'll judge~
#3
Posted 26 April 2007 - 08:07 PM
#4
Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:15 AM
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Posted 27 April 2007 - 02:23 AM
#6
Posted 27 April 2007 - 03:11 AM
#7
Posted 27 April 2007 - 03:21 AM
well the most obvious thing about these early shots is that the levels arent populated with all the goodies. so that right there says it was extremely early. but dont they have some more recent shots maybe? something to really blow us away? Id honestly be perfectly satisfied if this game was as beautiful as SATSR. Come on Sega, you can do it.
They want to keep us on out toes like all gameing companies do.
I am not too worried. If there is anything Sega will do right I am pretty sure it is graphics. They don't seem to fail at that too much. Besides, graphics is not what makes the game great. Plus I don't have high standards. Anything is better than what I could do. I appreciate all the hard work that goes into the art and programming games. I still wonder how they do it all so quickly! Oh yeah...they go for day and days withought sleep. (One of the main guys working on Sonic R did this and got himself really ill. With him gone, it was one of the last straws and they had to postpone and eventually cancel the game. I hope this doesn't happen to NiGHTS.)
#8
Posted 27 April 2007 - 03:48 AM
They want to keep us on out toes like all gameing companies do.
I am not too worried. If there is anything Sega will do right I am pretty sure it is graphics. They don't seem to fail at that too much. Besides, graphics is not what makes the game great. Plus I don't have high standards. Anything is better than what I could do. I appreciate all the hard work that goes into the art and programming games. I still wonder how they do it all so quickly! Oh yeah...they go for day and days withought sleep. (One of the main guys working on Sonic R did this and got himself really ill. With him gone, it was one of the last straws and they had to postpone and eventually cancel the game. I hope this doesn't happen to NiGHTS.)
I know graphics dont make a game great, but lets be honest here. NiGHTS can look a hell of a lot better than these screenshots. It really can. And thats without pushing the boundaries of the Wii. Look at Treasure Island and Dewy and SMG for proof. I cant stress it enough. This isnt a case of this being the best the system can do, its a case of not even pushing the system at all. I want to see this game go for the gold so to speak. I know Sega can do it. Graphics AND gameplay. more than possible on the wii.
#9
Posted 27 April 2007 - 05:09 AM
I know graphics dont make a game great, but lets be honest here. NiGHTS can look a hell of a lot better than these screenshots. It really can. And thats without pushing the boundaries of the Wii. Look at Treasure Island and Dewy and SMG for proof. I cant stress it enough. This isnt a case of this being the best the system can do, its a case of not even pushing the system at all. I want to see this game go for the gold so to speak. I know Sega can do it. Graphics AND gameplay. more than possible on the wii.
I don't own a Wii nor do I have time to look at screenshots of it. So I really don't know how the graphics are. But I will agree, they can do better. I guess there is just a little person inside of me feeling sorry for all the work they have to do. I think that is me feeling guilty for sucking so bad at art. lol
Seriously, we don't need to worry. They are not going to make perfect graphics right off the bat. They got to experiment with things and design. That would utterly suck if they made a bunch of perfect models of NiGHTS new outfit, and then after a month they decide to change. Same thing can happen with the levels. So, don't worry people. The funcky eyelashes might be fixed eventually, and I bet he will be smoother. So don't fret your little heads. Sega can do graphics well. That mush is certain.
#10
Posted 27 April 2007 - 05:58 AM
#11
Posted 27 April 2007 - 06:00 AM
#12
Posted 27 April 2007 - 06:16 AM
Anyway, NiGHTS wasn't about graphics, was it? (Well, it kinda was made to show of the Sega Saturn's power...but that would make me wrong so I'm going to disreguard it) It was about gameplay, music, and having fun. Oh, and purple jesters.
I think that is what attracted me the most about NiGHTS. He is purple!!! My faviorite color!
I still think the fish look really nice though.
#13
Posted 27 April 2007 - 06:19 AM
#14
Posted 27 April 2007 - 07:15 AM
#15
Posted 27 April 2007 - 11:37 AM
What......what the heck is that? A neck or really shotty polygon left-over?
#16
Posted 27 April 2007 - 11:42 AM
Zelda is a good example of how good the graphics can get for the Wii, So why not NiGHTS? I'm nit-picky when it comes to details and considering Sega's history with the Sonic games lately... It better be DAMN good with the story and controls. D: I'm hoping those screenshots are early beta tests. Those eyes... @_@; Why?? Honestly the details/design of the first game is really what attracted me in the first place.
What......what the heck is that? A neck or really shotty polygon left-over?
OMFG I never saw that! I hope that is just polygon leftover! Thanks for showing that to us.
As for they eyes...yes I am upset as well. It looks like they couldn't decide on making NiGHTS eyes blue or purple and just decided to settle with both.
#17
Posted 27 April 2007 - 08:58 PM
Saying that. The colour scheme doesn't seem to be as 'NiGHTSish' this time. Wheres the hot colours all over the place? The levels look super detailed, but c'mon, NiGHTS it up! Slosh some shock pink in there or something!
Dan.
#18
Posted 28 April 2007 - 12:01 AM
Saying that. The colour scheme doesn't seem to be as 'NiGHTSish' this time. Wheres the hot colours all over the place? The levels look super detailed, but c'mon, NiGHTS it up! Slosh some shock pink in there or something!
Dan.
That would make me go blind if they put a buch of hot pink in there. O.O It might even burn into the LCD TV's if its too bright. (Ok maybe not but who knows.) I guess they are trying to be careful so that people don't feel like they are on an acid trip. Oh yes NiGHTS...the one game you should never play while drunk.
#19
Posted 28 April 2007 - 03:56 AM
There is one thing that I can't shake off and its his obnoxious eyelashes, what was wrong with the first ones? I have a feeling they want to "lean" towards a gender but not really confirm one. America has this thing about hiding non-specific gender roles because that kind of thing is not entirely moraly accepted" on a wide scale around here. Kind of like the Sailor Moon bit, if I'm correct, Sailor Uranus and Neptune were in love with each other, here it was dubbed that they were Cousins. So I have a feeling they want to make him seem feminine. I could be wrong though, just an opinion of mine, I mean they did mess up before with saying he was Nightopian because they assumed that he wasn't a bad guy he couldn't have been a Nightmaren. People need to do there research before publishing this stuff! Because I think we all know another example...
Archie...
::Cough:: Anyway...
What also makes no sense to me is that in all of the new art drawn of him, he has the old eyes, so like, did the game developers even take one look at the magazine art?
#20
Posted 28 April 2007 - 04:48 AM
Yeah, I mean, I can live with choppy graphics, it didn't bother us before, but we are granted with better technology that they can be taking advantage of and with the exception of God of War (Which is pwnage) this game is being developed by Sega of America ::Shudder::
There is one thing that I can't shake off and its his obnoxious eyelashes, what was wrong with the first ones? I have a feeling they want to "lean" towards a gender but not really confirm one. America has this thing about hiding non-specific gender roles because that kind of thing is not entirely moraly accepted" on a wide scale around here. Kind of like the Sailor Moon bit, if I'm correct, Sailor Uranus and Neptune were in love with each other, here it was dubbed that they were Cousins. So I have a feeling they want to make him seem feminine. I could be wrong though, just an opinion of mine, I mean they did mess up before with saying he was Nightopian because they assumed that he wasn't a bad guy he couldn't have been a Nightmaren. People need to do there research before publishing this stuff! Because I think we all know another example...
Archie...
::Cough:: Anyway...
What also makes no sense to me is that in all of the new art drawn of him, he has the old eyes, so like, did the game developers even take one look at the magazine art?
So...liek....NiGHTS is gonna be a lesbian?
#21
Posted 28 April 2007 - 05:05 AM
So...liek....NiGHTS is gonna be a lesbian?
XD No, all I'm saying is I think they want to try and make NiGHTS more appealing as one gender other than inbetween because America likes to twist things like that. They think we can't handle something to these proportions, ever since Pokemon started to "White" out because blacking out was said to be "too scary for children" I lost all hope for our youth, they will learn nothing if we keep them in lala land forever, they wont be prepared, there dooming their future! O_o; Yeah I have a feeling I'm being just a tad over dramatic over this lol.
#22
Posted 28 April 2007 - 05:07 AM
XD No, all I'm saying is I think they want to try and make NiGHTS more appealing as one gender other than inbetween because America likes to twist things like that. They think we can't handle something to these proportions, ever since Pokemon started to "White" out because blacking out was said to be "too scary for children" I lost all hope for our youth, they will learn nothing if we keep them in lala land forever, they wont be prepared, there dooming their future! O_o; Yeah I have a feeling I'm being just a tad over dramatic over this lol.
So...not only is NiGHTS gonna be a lesbian, s/he's gonna be a stereotypical one?
XD I'm just kidding. Put your flannel away, NiGHTS.
NiGHTS: Awww...
#23
Posted 28 April 2007 - 05:44 AM
XD No, all I'm saying is I think they want to try and make NiGHTS more appealing as one gender other than inbetween because America likes to twist things like that. They think we can't handle something to these proportions, ever since Pokemon started to "White" out because blacking out was said to be "too scary for children" I lost all hope for our youth, they will learn nothing if we keep them in lala land forever, they wont be prepared, there dooming their future! O_o; Yeah I have a feeling I'm being just a tad over dramatic over this lol.
How does genderless marens prepare the youth for their future? Not very often you come across someone genderless.
But I think I see what you are saying. They need to comprehend things better I guess. Really I thought they made NiGHTS genderless so that you thought of NiGHTS as whatever gender you want. But you are right, they are leaning towrds one way too much.
#24
Posted 28 April 2007 - 10:51 AM
#25
Posted 28 April 2007 - 02:49 PM
#26
Posted 28 April 2007 - 06:29 PM
On topic, I'd assume it's all unfinished testing. This has been done a lot with games, as I think someone's mentioned, already. Not all the bugs are cleaned and out, so things don't look at their best level--makes sense. But... I really hope those eyes aren't the finished product. >: That would sadden me very much.
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Posted 28 April 2007 - 06:34 PM
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Posted 29 April 2007 - 03:04 AM
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Posted 30 April 2007 - 07:17 AM
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Posted 30 April 2007 - 07:25 AM
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Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:10 AM
#34
Posted 02 May 2007 - 02:31 AM
But graphic wise? I think they gave NiGHTS a bigger butt... but that's my opinion. XD
#35
Posted 02 May 2007 - 01:33 PM
However, it's probably in the development stage like some of you are saying.
...
You'd be suprised.
#36
Posted 02 May 2007 - 04:26 PM
The graphics are not a main concern to me, being honest. As i've said before in a seperate topic (which i thought was this one), graphics don't make a game. It makes it look pretty and i'm all for that....but if they make this game unplayable due to a sh!t control system then THAT will be something to be annoyed about as we won't want to play the bloody thing.
Sonic 360. A great example of how a game can look like a masterpiece and play like a horses arse.
#37
Posted 02 May 2007 - 05:53 PM
Anyway, right now the game looks like arse, but in motion it might look better. Right now we're seeing silly closeups, which you wouldn't get in the real game.
#38
Posted 05 May 2007 - 10:07 PM
And someone mentioned the new eyelashes. O_O They creep me out. I think the old ones were fine.
#39
Posted 05 May 2007 - 10:33 PM
Compared to the Saturn game I’m used to playing JOD is an amazing leap into the present day. Our old NiGHTS hasn’t aged very well and bits almost resemble techno-puke
#40
Posted 05 May 2007 - 10:53 PM
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